Amazing grace: Bongbong Marcos could’ve struck back during #PiliPinasDebates2016 but chose not to

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Imagine if vice presidential candidate Bongbong Marcos (BBM) was as abrasive and harsh as Alan Peter Cayetano. Yesterday’s vice presidential debate would have deteriorated very quickly. BBM kept his cool because nothing could be achieved by attacking back. Yet, he could if we think about it. Rene Cayetano, the father of Alan, was a partner in Pecabar, which was the go-to law firm during Martial Law (ML), because Enrile was also a partner in the firm. So, you could say that the father of Alan was a beneficiary of ML because his family was part of the then powers-that-be.

Then you have Leni Robredo, whose father was also appointed by former president Ferdinand Marcos (FM) as a judge. Then you have Chiz Escudero, whose father was the Agriculture Minister of FM. Of course, Gringo Honasan was of the inner circle of Enrile at the Department of National Defense (DND) and privately also the COO of the businesses of the Enriles in Cebu. If they are so antagonistic against BBM, gosh their candidates are people who led very comfortable lives during ML. Surely, if BBM wanted to, he could have asked his staff to dig all sorts of dirt against the families and friends of his opponents, like what they are doing against him. But, what would that achieve? A scorched earth policy? But, what would that build when he has now chosen a path of mending and unifying?

What Alan has proven is that he is a seasoned bellyacher, which means he should remain in the Blue Ribbon Committee where his talent could be more useful. He could also be a good trial lawyer, and I believe he should pursue such. But to be in the Executive Department, much more a VP? Gosh, how could he execute policies and programs with such abrasiveness. He even outdoes his father who was a suave gentleman and thus, is the opposite of his father.

He is also trying to outdo lawyers like Rene Saguisag and Joker Arroyo, and we know what kind of lawyers they are when they become politicians. They are perfect when they are in the opposition, but flounder pathetically when they find themselves in power. No, Alan cannot be in the Executive Dept, or he would just mess up that branch and waste his talent there. See, he was trying very hard to be like a Duterte, and yet it can be seen he is no Rodrigo Duterte, so he looks like a court jester in the court of Duterte. Sonamagan, how some people will go to the extent of making themselves clownish just to be in power. These are really sad stories. Sayang ang mga talents, mga summa cum laudes pa naman sa school, but because power blinds them, they no longer know themselves.

I guess same could be said about Chiz who was trying to be the opposite of Alan; to be cool as a cucumber. But this guy is a schemer and is sneaky from what I hear in the grapevine. So, I get it when he tries to be flowery with his words. Gosh, he would be a great car salesman. Sayang din, cum laude din sa school, but really does not know himself anymore. He should be in the private sector, maybe as a commercial lawyer.

Never mind Antonio Trillanes. This guy shoots from the hip and says the craziest things. But, what do you expect from a megalomaniac?

I was quite impressed by BBM, Gringo and Leni. Unfortunately, Gringo and Leni are with the wrong groups; mga napilitan lang; they should detach themselves, or they are ruining their futures. Sayang din, the two.

Quite unfortunate then was the quality of the audience. They came not with an open mind, to listen to what is good for the country, and to decide their vote thereafter. They had already decided their candidate, so they came to cheer as if it was an Ateneo versus La Salle basketball match. But, the awful sounds they were generating, while I was watching the debates on TV, made me conclude early on, it was a bakya crowd, the gusgusin kind, therein. Indeed, it was a sabong. No wonder foreigners don’t respect Pinoys; they think we never take anything seriously; it’s all just joke. ..yea, it’s more fun in PHL.

If the audience had been really listening to BBM, they would have heard him asking to be the Secretary of Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE). It is the Labor Portfolio. It is the most thankless job in government. This is something phenomenal. Really, an earthquake. He is looking at doing war with Oligarchs, if he really wants to do a good job in DOLE to benefit Labor.

But, this means he understands the root cause of all problems. Humans cannot have dignity if they cannot have work. We cannot play in the global competition if part of the population is unemployed, or underemployed, or underpaid; we cannot play basketball with only two or three players; all five players should be in tip-top conditions. A secretary of DOLE, who is a VP, might just correct things in DOLE, which has so far been providing Oligarchs with slaves, who are Pinoys.

His objective obviously is the growing of the middle class. If this is the objective then all other problems start to fall in their proper and respective places. A working population means also solving cultural and social problems. It is a lofty objective, but it gives a hint that BBM is profound; all the other candidates are pygmies, as Manila Times columnist Bobi Tiglao already observed.

When BBM said this, there should have been a thunderous applause from the audience. A VP who is a Secretary of the DOLE? And not just a token czar of OFWs as before? Out of this world!!! Oligarchs must have already taken notice, and that is why they sent people to shout him down, and the propaganda machine is in full throttle.

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ChinoF
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The obvious thing to address in labor is contractualization, and that provision in the Labor Code allowing for a company to hold an employee under probation for six months, but many companies use this to remove an employee, or declare them ended and rehired, so they can’t be made regular in the work force. The tragedy is that while Marcos seems to be the last bastion of decorum and civilized behavior, because of his family’s “martial law,” people these days have associated decorum and civilized behavior with being evil. This is a sad turn of the cultural mindset that could… Read more »
DIO
Guest

You’re actually spot-on.

I remember when someone said this:

“Buti pa noong panahon ni Marcos na pwede kang magtrabaho hanggang sa magretiro o hanggang kaya mo pa. Ngayon, pagkatapos ng 3 o 6 months tanggal ka na. Mas lalo pang humirap ang buhay.”

Sick_Amore
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“Buti pa noong panahon ni Marcos na pwede kang magtrabaho hanggang sa magretiro o hanggang kaya mo pa.

This is a good policy. Now, we have age limit on employees so if you’re over 25, 30’s or 40’s it’ll be difficult for you to land a job. And people with a physical defect also work during Marcos time. I remember my grandfather told me that there’s a resto in Rizal Park where the service crew are, I’m sorry, I can’t remember if it’s deaf or blind.

E. L.
Guest

resto run by the deaf and mute and served mostly hotdog sandwiches.

Bal
Guest

actually nuong panahon ni Macoy sa Military is at age 55 ay pwede kna mag retire kaya nman umusbong at maraming gustong pumasok nuon sa pagka sundalo or Pulis.

Cha
Guest

I can attest to it. My father uses to work as a gardener in Rizal Park and it is indeed. Even if you are an exconvict you are welcome to work there and have a decent life. They can even have 2 or 3 jobs at the same time as long as they can, and these are regular jobs not contractual.

gheks
Guest

Yan nga eh s sg.matatanda mga waitress janitres.. Like dto s HK rin sakes kady janitres waittress matatanda na still these 2 country very progressive… Jan sa atin s pnas hi standard ang qualification english fluent pa! age limit,height,education attainment,mas malala may personal appearance pa kahit dishwashers lang ang aaplayan…

Juan Makabayan
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Buti pa nung panahon ni Marcos kaya mo pang magtrabaho tinabunan ka na ng semento sa Manila Film Center.

DIO
Guest

Can’t blame the Marcoses for that. If anyone is at fault, it’s the company that provided the substandard materials.

P.S. Your username is joke, faggot. 🙂

danica
Guest

It was an accident nobody wanted that to happen.and there was no truth in the story being peddled that prople were buried alive on that building, only ignorant and stupid will believe that

domo
Guest

At buti pa panahon ni aquino ngayon, araw-araw kang nagdudusa sa matinding trapik at hinahayaan kang mamatay as bawat kalamidad.
Nagmamakabayan ka pa ha bobong wannabe.

sjcc
Guest

buti pa noong panahon ni Marcos? e di ka nga makakapag salita nang negative comment noon—just like what you/we are doing here?…..sana alam natin ang pinagsasabi natin and we learn from history atwag kalimutan ang past for a better future!

DIO
Guest

TROLL. 🙂

So do Bale na lang na wala kang masakyan at wala ka ring makain basta Malaya kang magpahayag ng opinion mo? Where’s the responsibility and discipline? Answer: wala.

Huwag kalimutan ang past? How can we move forward if we keep on inefficiently correcting our mistakes by just STICKING to it? We have that kind of thinking because we have no VISION of a future to look forward to!

Your point? Oh, you can’t say shit because you’re actually butthurt about the fact that NOTHING has changed after Marcos left. And you’re delusional if you say there are changes. That’s reality-check, son.

Bal
Guest

sa tingin nsa better future kna ngayun totoy?

Ciriaco
Guest

Baliktarin kaya natin ang sitwasyon, paano kung naging Communists tayo at napatalsik nila si Marcos at ikinulong hanggang sa namatay? Mas malaya ka ba sa pamumuno ng mga Communists at ang sasantuhin mo lang ay ang Lider na para kang robot, kapag nagkamali ay PATAY ka kaagad?

domo
Guest

Baaw did marcos always treat you like garbage? Well serves you right because you hate discipline and you’ve done nothing but abuse your freedom. In other words, I bet you’re one of those commiefucks giving this country trouble.

Bru
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This might help. In reply to the link that was published in 2012.

Court won’t honor US ruling vs Marcoses

Terry
Guest

how did a marcos loyalist like the author who wrote this article got in the circle of ‘get real’ website? is this the same guy who provided a full article of imee marcos like this was a lifestyle magazine?

even more surprising is how did get real allow an imee marcos garbage to be published in this website and now 4 articles of bongbong marcos being the best bet for vice-presidency?!?!

come on get real! you are better than this.

AntiEMO
Guest

Come on, trollfag. Would stop being an EMO loser and try to set your priorities for once?

This is the current norm: if someone had a neutral POV, then you are labelled as a ‘Marcos loyalist.

Son, you just went FULL RETARD with what you wrote. -_-

Amir Al Bahr
Guest

To the tune of Amazing Grace:

Amazing grace, how sweet the sound
Of the LP whining
They attack BBM
but still they fail
‘Coz they’ve got zip on him

31Hyden007Toro09090988
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31Hyden007Toro09090988

Honasan is the son in law, of Enrile. Enrile’s mistress bore him a daughter. And, the illegitimate daughter , became Honasan’s wife.

We can examine, the capabilities of those candidates thru the debates. They all have to think on their feet.

Still, I do not endorse any candidate. You decide, who can be the Vice President.

mrericx
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sabay kayo ni Senyora Santibanez, wala pa siyang napipilian pang VP pero 3 daw ang pagpipilian niya.

https://twitter.com/Senyora/status/719173399415767041

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mrericx
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well the good news for BBM is he didn’t received DAP (presidential pork barrel) funds for the past 4 years besides Sen. Miriam. Good thing that he’d choose her as his tandem for this year’s election.

https://twitter.com/_erickjav_/status/719174540421505024

Terry
Guest

but he got the biggest involvement in napoles scandal next only to revilla, enrile and jinggoy in that order.

fortunato barres co
Guest

get well soon evil oligarchs!

Kari Normann
Guest

Great article, excellent analysis.
The foundation of strong economy is the working/middle class.
The rich class – takes all the money, pays none of the taxes.
The working class – does all the work, pays all the taxes.

fgasdsa
Guest
I don’t get the point of this post kung wala namang direct example. It’s one of the posts na “Cayetano sucks because (states opinion here as if it matters)” alam na alam mo na agad ung agenda right at the get-go. I also don’t get the argument that BBM could have “struck back”, it’s a debate, parang mong sinabi na “I admire pacquiao for no throwing punches against bradley, it just shows how pacquiao is the supreme boxer”. Kabobohan naman un, eh kung kaya nya naman palang ipaglaban, edi why not? It just shows 2 things, unang una sa lahat,… Read more »
3d bros
Guest

It’s not the proper place and time para magbatuhan ng magbatuhan ng personal issues dahel sa dami din ng issues ng cayetanos example s corruption at dynasty,kulang oras at wlang patutunguhan ung debate. It’s not the very purpose of the debate in the first place. And every candidates know that but cayetano. It’s true na kung kagaya lang nya yung iba na away pala ang hanap,it might have ruined the debate.

domo
Guest

So you prefer to be a malicious utak palengkero instead of a classy person in front of the audience then? It’s a debate not a jailbreak bloodbath.

Jackson
Guest

I like your comparison of the debate with boxing.
It made me curious enough to ask you this:
If Bradley would be throwing punches below the belt, do you mean that Pacquiao should do it too? Kabobohan ba kung hindi? Or is it simply playing by the rules? Or in the debates’ case just being the better Candidate? or Smarter?

gching
Guest

What you just said Jackson were very smart and logical.what Cayetano didn’t realize that he’s sharp tounge would put him more below the survey and BBM’s cool under fire attitude( which i thought comes naturally from him),brought him to the top.

Grace Dy
Guest

fgasdsa, tama si jackson, in boxing you don’t hit back below the belt even if the opponent do so, because the points will be given to the one that follows the rule of the game. Same thing with this debate, due to BBM’s cool and calm stand, the sympathy of the crowd went to him

Red
Guest
Like you said, it’s a debate. It wasn’t a senate hearing. It wasn’t the proper platform do be ranting about your opponent’s family, paticularly his father. Cayetano focused too much on throwing shades instead of actually discussing the solution to the country’s problem. He kept yapping about corruption and the idea that they will eradicate crime. And I kept thinking “ok dude, cool. But HOW are you gonna do it??” I wanted to hear his plans but he focused too much on BBM. Everything he said about BBM was already repeated dozens of times over the past few months. He… Read more »
Ela
Guest
As Gringo repeatedly said: “there is a proper place and time”. Alan was all over the place, he was being a prosecutor — in a debate! The debate was supposed to be on the issues dished out by the moderators, not on allegations, accusations, and perceived wrongdoings. He was like a maldita making “parinig” and “pasaring” and when these failed, outright taunts naman para lang patulan siya. I believe the writeup makes perfect sense. If you can’t understand it, it basically boils down to how BBM chose to be his higher self and not stoop to the level of his… Read more »
Mr. Pinoy
Guest

The Loudest Drum has nothing but air in it 🙂

evelyn
Guest

Well said!

KidlatTahimik
Guest
We have to think of the purpose of the debate here. Emphasis on purpose and debate. What Cayetano did was to undermine BBMs credibility all throughout the session which was not the purpose of the debate. The purpose was to show the people concrete plan of actions for the country if they are elected VP. Should there be any conflict in the POVs among the contenders, that’s where the debate ensues. A debate should be an intelligent flow of discussion and rebuttal of ideas among the contenders, what happened was politicking at its finest (specially on the side of Cayetano).… Read more »
Arjae
Guest

Tanga ka ba debate un hindi boxing…..

kumbatsero
Guest

di na kailangang magpatutsada ni BBM sa kapwa nya kandidato. alam nya kung paano sumagot nang hindi tinitira ang anumang personal issues. para sa mga may utak, di na nya kinailangang manira sapat na ung track record nya.

Sushimi
Guest

Debate doesnt mean throw mudsling on your opponent like you are on a cockpit arena… debate is a mthod of formally presenting an argument in fisciplined manner… ok alan has a point so as everyone but his manner of debating is somewhat looks bad and awefull. He disrespect his opponent. Look at Leni she also pin down marcos on the same issue ML but she did it gracefully and not like a wild boar munching and munching nonsense. And to think he gesture pustahan on the debate the one lying may not pursue candidacy is unbeliebale…

Van Macabio
Guest

Yes, there were laudable achievements during the Marcos administration but we cannot deny the fact that Philippine’s debt ballooned during his administration which until now we’re not done paying. Or was that a lie too? I’m a millennial and I want to be enlightened. Thanks!

miceman
Guest

bkit ung japan sila ang my pinakamataas na utang sa world bank pero 1st world country sila..ung time ni marcos nagamit namn ung inutang sa mga infrastructure..time ni corytard pinagbebenta mga ari arian ng gobyerno taz lumaki ang utang wala man lng nagawa..wala man lng nagbago sa pinas lalong bumagsak..

Jelaina
Guest

In fairness meron aman, pag papalitan ang mga name ng important establishment name after the so called hero lol

BBMFORVP
Guest

The fact is this… Filipinos will be paying the marcos foreign debt until 2025… after that does it mean we don’t have any foreign debt left? If not then how long are we going to pay those debt and what sort of infrastructures where built with those debts?

joeld
Guest

@bbmforvp

The fact is this, every year this country is relying on foreign debt. Saying that we will be paying for the debt Marcos incurred till 2025 is just inaccurate.

Also note that the 2015 budget is running in trillions, so what debt under whose leadership are you talking about?

Red
Guest
Lemme give you a concrete example on how the world works. I’m an engineer and I used to work for a big developer/construction company. The company borrowed 1.5 billion pesos from BDO for the construction of a condominium building. The idea is that we borrow money from a bank, build a condominium, and the profit from the condominium will be used to pay for the money borrowed from the bank. After the debt is paid, all that there’s left is the continiuing profit from the condominium. In short, we borrowed money and invested it. We believe that was the late… Read more »
zaxx
Member
wiki: Under Marcos, the Philippines saw its external debt balloon from $360 million (U.S.) in 1962 to $28.3 billion (U.S.) in 1986.[23] Much of this debt was for the government to finance economic development projects.. — Marcos built us a lot of infrastructure (Geothermal plants, LRT, Heart/Lung/Kidney Center, PICC, NLEX, SLEX, CCP, NAIA, San Juanico, BNPP, etc.) except that the next administration was too incompetent to run BNPP -> so 2.3B USD went down the drain. We’d rather have brownouts and pay high electric bills; keeping investors from coming in. We have hardly expanded the LRT system to the likes… Read more »
ranger099
Guest

The philippine debt during the marcos administration ballooned particularly due to the numerous infrastructure projects initiated ny the FM administration. Tthe Bataan Nuclear Power Plant for example became too expensive to operate due to the constant pillaging and sabotage the CPP/NPA is doing to the plant. Then you have the Cory Aquino Admin cancelling all projects marcos already initiated. These cancellations wasted millions of taxpayers’ money. This is why our national debt ballooned.

Dick S. O'Rosary
Guest

The modern Labor Code was written by his father (staff more like). Workers tend to forget that NLRC, 13th month pay etc came from Macoy.

Julie Albano Madarang
Guest
Julie Albano Madarang

Our kind of Government, style is an Amature!
“Sorry for the Filipino people,”.

We need to change ! Re new’ed,
The debate for VP- is impotent dis-graceful, specially Robredo-newly candidate, & Cayetano-awfulness speech.

COMELEC! BEWARE! NO WAY for CHEATING! REPLACING! DEFRAUD!
For the Filipino People, Keep Philippines RISE AGAIN!!!!!’

Juu
Guest

May I know what you find wrong with Leni Robredo?
It’s pretty obvious for Cayetano but I’m curious about Robredo

Edgar
Guest

There’s nothing wrong with Leni but Im just worried for her as VP. Remember, her basic function is to replace the Pres in case he or she dies for whatevet reason. Sorry but she does not have the character to govern this chaotic Country & undiscipline people. Remember her campaign is financed by the oligarchs and one can already conclude what happens when she becomes VP or Pres.

James Harvey De Ayala
Guest
James Harvey De Ayala

President Marcos’ policy is really a high standard. He want’s to be in par with other European and Western countries. He foresees that the Philippines could be the number one country in the world. But the enemy stole that dream for their own ill-ambition.
He’s son Bongbong Marcos Jr. is a legacy of his father. A a young age he had been so much involved in everything. During his earlier period of political career, he already proved himself to be worthy of the name Marcos. He’s vision he got from his father could save the country from being torn apart.

Julieta E. Tolentino
Guest

I agree with you. Mabuhay BBM for VP. Mabuhay PILIPINOS.

Don Alto
Guest

Use “his”, not he’s!!

Joelyn Macaspac
Guest

The debate of vice presidentiables generates profound views from all walks of life about the candidates, about the pressing issues of our motherland, about our history as a nation – its lights and shadows, thus, the totality of it had given everyone the chance to look deeper into the persona of the candidates, to listen more with the heart and to compassionately think over for the next years of our country after May elections. God bless our nation!

Jocelyn Macaspac
Guest

The debate of vice presidentiables generates profound views from all walks of life about the candidates, about the pressing issues of our motherland, about our history as a nation – its lights and shadows, thus, the totality of it had given everyone the chance to look deeper into the persona of the candidates, to listen more with the heart and to compassionately think over for the next years of our country after May elections. God bless our nation!

Juu
Guest

Marcos is a very curious case. Obviously, he’s done some things for the country or at least, his province/region.

However, he’s dragged down by his own name and his own family.

There’s also the issue about Oxford; whether you believe that he embellished his resume and got caught or failed to understand what his diploma meant is no longer important, the fact that this became an issue in the first place affects voter trust.

Sick_Amore
Guest

Why do you think that Oxford issue came out in the first place? Then Mar graduating from Wharton became a hot issue from Rappler. Then compare their government track records and the way they carry themselves.

ChinoF
Member

The sad part these days is that no one seems to be making a better account of themselves than Marcos Jr. There should be more. Perhaps they were cut out of the race by Comelec, or they decided to give in to the bakya and palengkero style. I wonder what does it take to bring back true class acts in the country. I think it has to start with the people than the politicians. Perhaps we should run more people through something like a John Robert Powers course?

chinitaLA
Guest
Debates should not be done as they are doing it. Throwing mud at each other and giving accusations here and there. These candidates should understand that the real essence of these debates is to show the voting public how capable and qualified they are to be future leaders of the country. Instead of criticizing what their opponents did not do or have not done in the past, they should focus on laying their platforms and giving concrete solutions for the many pre-existing problems we already have. I think that the best thing to debate about is their capability to put… Read more »
Julieta E. Tolentino
Guest

Sanay na ang mga Pilipino, kapag eleksyon, siraan ng siraan mga kandidato, para sa mahihirap ang plataporma pero pagkatapos at manalo sila, wala ng pangako, nganga mga bumoto habang silang mga nanalo nagpapasasa sa kaban ng Pilipinas kaya hanggang ngayon Nganga pa rin ang kawawang pilipino. Ngayon matalino na mga tao ALAM kung SINO ang DAPAT IBOTO sawangsawa na sa “dada” kaya Ang NAPILI BBM sa VP may dugong PRES. FM may nagagawa at malasakit sa bansang Pilipinas. Sana nga pagka Presidente na lang pinili niya.

E. L.
Guest

wasn’t it during that day that overseas voting already started and quite coincidental that BBM annunced that he wanted to head the Department of Labor and Emp.? Coincidental, or, strategic? there’s 7 million voters there.

Red
Guest

Actually, he already expressed his desire to be the secretary of DOLE a couple of weeks ago in a radio interview. I forgot what radio station it was, but it’s probably lurking in the web somewhere..

fireh0use
Guest

BBM is very professional in the debate he maintained His composure and never get angry even all his opponent attacks him, adding also the hecklers which is very disturb in the debate they look like uncivilized people

#BBM2016

Praxidio Buenagua
Guest

With this, I hav to bow also to BBM and or not to oblige the Marcoses to return the stolen wealth bcoz nabigyan po ako ng ‘nutribun’ bago mag Martial Law.

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