Prosecution misled the public when they alleged CJ Corona had 45 properties

Just when most people thought it was going to be another boring day of presentation of documents by the defense counsels, a bombshell hit the impeachment court during the trial of Chief Justice Renato Corona. Even with the absence of defense lead counsel Serafin Cuevas, crushing the allegations of the prosecution was just a walk in the park for the rest of the defense team.

Tupas misled the public when he alleged Corona owned 45 properties.

Even as private prosecutor Jose Justiniano snickered as he objected to the laborious testimony of the witness from the Land Registration Authority (LRA), no one from the prosecution team realized that some of the Senator Judges were listening intently to the presentation of the evidence — which is probably why they were caught off guard when those Senators questioned their motives in releasing what is now clearly the wrong information that Chief Justice Corona owned 45 properties. By then the defense had made it quite evident that only five of those can be directly linked to the Chief Justice.

LRA Administrator Eulalio Diaz III, who gave the list of the properties to the prosecutors was heavily admonished by a few Senators who were shocked to find out that he (1) acted on an informal request done over the phone by Congressman and lead prosecutor, Niel Tupas, Jr; (2) released a list of properties supposedly under Corona’s name without checking if the list was accurate; (3) inadvertently divulged private information concerning other individuals who are not even involved in the trial; and (4) adopted a “cavalier” attitude towards his own gaffe.

Apart from the above, LRA administrator Diaz, a former classmate of President Noynoy Aquino, was unapologetic when Senators Jinggoy Estrada, Joker Arroyo, Pia Cayetano and Loren Legarda kept asking him why he released documents without checking them. Diaz simply blamed their department’s computer system for the inclusion of a few individuals unrelated to the case, including former Quezon City Mayor Ismhael Mathay who is not even related to the Coronas. Diaz also insinuated that it was not his job to check the accuracy of the list — a list that came from their department – but the prosecutor’s.

I’ll give Diaz half a point for his half-assed excuse because the prosecutors led by Congressman Tupas should have combed through the list before presenting it to the court as evidence and especially before presenting it to the media during their trial by publicity. When asked to explain, Tupas tried to throw the ball back onto Diaz by saying that they relied on the accuracy of the list. Tupas also denied misleading the public and justified presenting it as evidence because, according to him, he just wanted to know the truth. But the truth, it seems, is that he and the rest of the prosecution team just wanted Chief Justice Corona to resign by damaging his credibility.

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again: the prosecution and their cohorts probably think that the Filipino people, including their Senators, are stupid. What were they thinking when they alleged that Corona had 45 properties when in fact, documents that are also available from the LRA indicate that 17 were cancelled titles? Did they actually think that the defense would miss that important piece of information just as they had missed it? It’s amazing how the whole thing flew over their heads considering they have all the available resources including most government agencies and a stealth army of “small ladies” at their disposal. They even have the backing of the President himself, for goodness sake. Obviously, even investigative journalists like Raissa Robles and those at Rappler.com could not help them with the facts. It’s probably because they are not used to handling real data.

I used to think the prosecution was incompetent. Now I think they are also hopeless. The problem is, most people tend to believe what the prosecution are saying. This is evident in the new survey released by survey firm Pulse Asia, a firm said to be owned and operated by friends and family members of PNoy. According to the survey, 33% think that Corona is probably guilty and 15% think he is guilty. In the same survey, it says 56% of Filipinos know only a little about the issue.

Whether the result of the survey is accurate or not, the real question is: Who would sponsor a survey while the impeachment trial is still ongoing and more importantly, for what purpose? It is worth noting that the result was published a day after PNoy promised to stop commenting on the trial. His minions probably decided that sending subliminal messages to the public is much better for his image.

Now the impeachment trial of Chief Justice Renato Corona may just prove the theory that suggests, “incompetent people are unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people’s ideas.”

According to a new study, democracy may not work in societies where the majority is “just too stupid to pick the right candidate.” We already know that statement to be true with the biggest proof in the underachieving former Senator, Noynoy Aquino winning the presidential election in 2010. The study also explained the reason why the wrong leaders keep getting voted in:

“…a growing body of research has implied that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.

For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.

As a result, no amount of information or facts about political candidates can override the inherent inability of many voters to accurately evaluate them.

[Cornell University psychologist] Professor [David] Dunning said: “Very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognise how good an idea is.”

If you change the words of the above statement to what is happening now during the impeachment trial, you will come up with something like this: If people lack the expertise on law or the interpretation of the constitution, it is very difficult for them to identify the lawyers or judges who are actual experts. The majority of Filipinos simply lack the mental tools to make meaningful judgements.

This, unfortunately, is the dilemma in our society that is evident now. It seems that regular folks can only understand simple statements such as “Chief Justice Corona betrayed the public trust”. But when the defense counsels try to prove the allegations are wrong using facts and data, most people including some senators, roll up their eyes or glaze over because it becomes too technical for them. Journalists certainly find it “boring”.

Explaining a simple concept is like having a root canal because even senators themselves cannot comprehend what some of the counsels and experienced former regional court judges are saying. Their lack of understanding of the law and their own biases against Chief Justice Corona frustrates or bores some of them when they are listening to the painstaking defense presentations. It seems they consider “hearsay” information more exciting. If the senators cannot understand the rule of law, what more can we expect from regular Filipinos?

How in the world will the senators come to a decision? There is simply no meeting of the minds, which is why the trial does not progress at a quicker pace. The guideline on how to fill up the SALN form for example cannot be agreed upon. Defense is saying that the “constitutional provision on the SALN did not require more stringent guidelines for the Chief Justice and other magistrates of the Supreme Court than any other public official.”

They even pointed out that “the Civil Service Commission recently announced that it would issue a new SALN form which would require specific entries–proof that the current SALN did not require detailed information.” However, the prosecution is simply insisting that “Corona betrayed the public trust” when he did not include some assets in his SALN. Never mind that the evidence already proves that Corona didn’t have to because some properties that were alleged to be his do not belong to him.

The bottom line is, the senator judges seem to have conflicting ideas about what should be the guideline in coming up with a decision. Sometimes they quibble on matters such as determining when the property should have been included in the SALN to trivial ones such as whether a witness is still relevant or not. It’s just so amazing that everyone talks like an expert while knowing very little about what they are talking about. It is becoming apparent though that all the confusion can be traced to the prosecution’s presentation of false evidence and violation of the law, something that should be grounds for the immediate dismissal of the impeachment case.

[Photo courtesy Sunstar.com.ph.]
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187 Comments on “Prosecution misled the public when they alleged CJ Corona had 45 properties”

  1. Yes, this prosecution booboo is really, really off putting. Talaga ngang bobo, defense had a heyday pointing that out.

    But then again, this is oh soooo last month? I thought I was reading a back issue of GRP.

    1. It’s good that you are aware of the prosecution’s incompetence. Unfortunately, not everyone is. Besides, the prosecution simply outdo their old gaffes everytime they commit a new one. That is certainly worth highlighting. 😉

      I wish you had more insight to add about the impeachment trial other than what you wrote.

      ciao

      1. But the defense on the other hand has no dignity defending a sinful justice na sumira sa hustisya sa nkakaraming Pilipino

        1. How can you accuse someone who’s not yet guilty? Kaya nga may trial, the accused is innocent until proven guilty by the court.

        2. Tsk tsk, what’s the matter vincenzo? Getting butthurt about your precious prosecution being unmasked as LIARS?????

          The end is near for this sham of a government.

        3. @Nutzi Vincenzo

          Our favorite Nutzi black propagandist shoots from the hip again and completely misses the target. Try it somewhere else. We are not mesmerized by your “subliminal” statements without any evidence to back it up.

        4. the concept of innocent until proven guilty is lost upon a childish brat and his rabid attack dogs, such as Vincenzo over there.

        5. I think it’s uncalled for to say he is “sinful” since presumption of innocence serves to emphasize that the obligation has the obligation each element of offense beyond a reasonable doubt.

        6. Repost:
          I think it’s uncalled for to say he is “sinful” since presumption of innocence serves to emphasize that the prosecution has the obligation to prove that each element of offense is beyond a reasonable doubt.

        7. nakakatawa lang na “o.a” ang pagpopoint sa kasalanan ni cj corona, eh sa totoo lang, kung totoo man yan mga yan.. kakarampot lang yan sa mga nakaw ng ibang governors.. mayors.. and other public servants, FILIPINO AYOKO MAGING OA.. ang OA, lalo yun survey nila.. dinadamay pa lahat ng Filipino, samantalang di naman dumaan samen yun survey na yan.. hahaha

        8. leaf, I think that a surveys will not give all the Filipino peoples a chance to be participated. hence/ergo, it will not be come to you there.

          In the other word, the people to be surveyed are limited. But it is truth that they would pursue the biggest croocks first before the fisherlings.

          The pork barrels of congressmens is should be investigated first of all before CJs account.

    2. we had a conversation of my colleague just a few minutes ago..
      if those people were truly concerned to the Filipino pipz, then its so unfair that CJ Corona is the hottest subject matter of not declaring the right SALN but of course, we all know that even a little business man is not declaring right TAX of his own company, di ba? parang hello, ask your self na lang, halos lahat even yan mga senators na yan.. di ka panipaniwala na sila mismo nagdedeclare ng tama sa lahat ng pag aari nila, kung dumi lang ang titignan natin sa lahat ng tao.. even you, for sure meron at di lang isa..
      dignity na lang din kasi ng 1 tao ang pinaguusapan dito,

    3. this trial! you know what? mas lalong nagkakabaha bahagi ang mga Filipino, just look down na lang sa comment ng mga taong yun, konti na lang magsabunutan.. buti na lang di face to face to..

      1. Manners r of more importance than laws.Upon them,in a great measure,d laws depend.D laws touch us but here & there,& now & then.Manners are what vex or soothe,corrupt or purify,exalt or debase,barbarize,or refine us,by a constant,steady,uniform,insensible operation,like that of the air we breathe in.-E.Burke

  2. Nagsinungaling p rin si Corona sa kanyang SALN at hnd p pnapaliwanag ang kanyang peso at dollar account. At mrmi p rin ang naniniwalang guilty si Corona dhl sya ay tuta ni Gloria s knyang mga plano. Hbang buhay na ang khhyan s buhay nya, dpat mgbitiw o mtnggal n sya sa pwesto.

      1. eh bobo ka pala, wala kang alam dak dak ka pa. ang mga katulad mong pulpol ay ang sumisira ng bansa na ito. Mali anag katwiran walang kalatuy latuy.

        1. Si Corona ang sumisira ng bnsa dhl para syang robot na sunod lng ng sunod sknyang amo n si Gloria, at ang asawa nya n nkasuhan ng estafa.

        2. @Vincenzo:

          Si Noynoy ang sumisira sa bansa because he always wasting time chasing and villifying his political enemies…

          while doing NOTHING.

          Oh yeah, do you know Carpio? Well, robot din siya na sunud-sunod din kay Abnoy pag napaalis na si Corona. Ironic, isn’t it?

    1. Kung ang basehan lang sa pagtanggal kay Chief Justice Corona ay public opinion (of what, 2000-something people when in truth you will have to account for a universe of 90-million-strong Filipinos wanting to be heard)… ayos, ba’t pa tayo may impeachment court?

      Besides, papaano mo masasabing nagsinungaling si Chief Justice Corona sa kanyang SALN? Have you any evidence to prove it? He who alleges has the burden of proof, hindi ‘yung ngawa ka lang ng ngawa diyan. (Well, kung tutuusin, ang mga ebidensiyang inihain ng mga prosecutor ay isa-isa namang dinidismantilya ng matino’t masusing presentasyon ng defense counsels… wala kasing mga kuwenta.)

      Normally, observer lang ako dito sa website na ‘to, at lagi kitang nakikitang nagko-comment ng mga walang kuwentang pautot dito. Nabasa ko din sa comments ng iba na baka pakawala ka daw ng Malacañang… in which case, it is an honor for me to say:

      Lahat tayo may utak. Pare, libre lang ang paggamit niyan. Gamit-gamitin mo din minsan.

      1. Ikw ang wlang utak, bkt my TRO sa hold departure order ni Gloria smantalang npkrmi p nyang kaso tungkol s pgnanakaw at pndraya? At tgnan m si Gloria, maayos naman ang kondisyon nya pero cnb nya dti mamamatay n sya? Mgksbwat itong dalawang ito

        1. uy pumapalag ang bobo. mali naman ang pangangatwiran. Dapat naging prosecutor ka, bobo ka rin pala. Alam mo naman ayaw mo lang aminin. Hahaha.

        2. Aba aba aba grabe ka lumaban ah. Ganyan ka na ba ka-hostile dahil ayaw mo lang magpatalo vincensus ignoramus?

        3. Wala naman charge nuon na-issue yun TRO. Dapat lang ipaglaban ang karapatan ng tao. Lalo na’t lumalabas pa ngayon na ala palang basehan yun mga pinagsasabi nila AbNoy. Mag-noynoying ka nalang gayung ala rin naman kayong silbi.

        4. Bobo, tngn m dpat pang bgyan ng krapatan si Gloria mtapos nyang mgnakaw ng bilyon bilyon sa kaban ng bayan?

        5. @Vincenzo B. Arellano

          Bobo, tngn m dpat pang bgyan ng krapatan si Gloria mtapos nyang mgnakaw ng bilyon bilyon sa kaban ng bayan?

          Sarili mo dapat ang murahin mo. Matauhan ka naman. Mga programa na inumpisahan ni Gloria, inaako ni abNoy.

          Magkaibigan dati sila Gloria at ang mag-inang sila Cory at abNoy. Si abNoy pa ang nagsabing wag patugtugin ang “Hello Garci” tapes. Kinaaway nalang nila Cory si Gloria nuong pinabibigay yun Hacienda Luisita sa mga kawawang magsasaka. Karapatan ng magsasaka ang ipinaglaban ni Gloria at ayaw nila Cory yun.

          Meron akong takot na nasusunog na sa impyerno kaluluwa ni Cory (at ni Noynoy na rin.) Kayang lokohin nila Aquino ang mga pinoy, pero ang Diyos panginoon hindi nila maloloko.

    2. eh gaga ka pala, hindi pa tapos ang depensa,anong paliwanag ang hinahanap mo. Mahina talaga ang utak mo, wala ka bang isip o bobotante ka?

    3. @Nutzi Vincenzo

      Your statements are nothing but rants. All without evidence and just pure black propaganda sprinkled with trial by publicity. Der grobe Fuhrer of the palace by the river must be proud of you!

    4. Ah its you Mr.Vincenzo, how nice of you to show up and entertain us with antics and stupidity. But why do show yourself rarely? After all we need a jester to lighten up our days.

      1. His rare appearances only mean one thing…
        He is getting really really butt hurt on how the trial is not swaying in his tito noy’s favor, and now that the palpaksecution has been unmasked as LIARS… He resorts to posting really lame and really stupid rants here.

  3. It seems at this point in the trial, only the $ accounts remain to be explained. Now what is sickening is the thought that should the CJ be pronounced guilty, it would be bec. illegally obtained documents won the day for the prosecution. In short, the hero will be the unbelievable ghost small lady or the equally unbelievable ghost who put those bank records in the gate of Cong. Banal. What a travesty of justice and what a farce.

    1. Dyan ngagalit ang taumbyan dhl kung wlang syang ksalanan dpat una plang ipinakta n nya ang dollar account. My tntago ksi.

      1. Di naman kanya yung $, kaya tama lang na hindi isama sa trial na kalokohan na iyan. Magaling kayo sa gawa-gawa lang—hanggang kathang-isip na telenobela lang kayo magaling…hahaha.

        1. bkt pnaTRO nya ang subpina ng dollar account nya my tntago itong si Corona cgro mga ninakaw nla ni Gloria

        2. @Vincenzo B. Arellano

          bkt pnaTRO nya ang subpina ng dollar account nya my tntago itong si Corona cgro mga ninakaw nla ni Gloria

          SC ang nag-desisyon nun sinasabi mo—Ala na si Corona nun. Parati naman napapatunayan na mali yang mga akala nyo. Puro kayo akala—maraming namamatay sa akala.

          Puro kayong mga labag sa 8th commandment. Hindi talaga kayo maka-Diyos—Puro kasi kayong maka-demonyong Aquino. Trabaho ng demonyo yang mag-akusa—puro kayo mga ‘false witnesses’—ala rin naman palang alam.

          Delikado na yang amo mong si anak ng Tupas na yan.

      2. Alam mo malaki ang depekto ng pangangatwiran mo, hindi mo ba napapansin? Ikaw yung tipong may husga na kahit di pa tapos ang trial. Kulang ka pa sa information pero dli dali kang nagsasalita. Ngayon din lang ako nakipag sagutan sa isang mahina ang ulo at mali amg opinyon. Proud ka siguro na mababaw kang mangatwiran.

        1. Bka ikw ang mhna ang ulo dhl hnd m alam ang mlalim n pgsasama ni Corona at Gloria, at hnd m rin alam n mrming pgnanakaw ang gnwa nla hnd lng s taumbyan kundi pati sa sariling kmaganak

        2. Vicenzo, ano naman ang proweba mo sa pagsasama ng dalawa? Malapit ka ba sa mga Corona at mga Arroyo? Kung wala kang proweba, manahimik ka na lang.

      3. Mr Vincenzo, frequent reader ka ba ng GRP blogs? Isa ka kasi sa mga tinatawag na squatter mentality. kung hindi mo alam ibig sabihin nun, try mo basahin ung mga previous posts dito. tama nga ung isang nagpost dito, dapat sumama ka sa prosecution team. mga katulad mo ang dahilan kung bakt hindi umuunlad ang bansa.

        1. yep, frequent reader dito si vincenzo at frequently din siya napapahiya dito.

          Considered as the VILLAGE IDIOT si Vincenzo

      4. some people has nothing to say but they keep on talking anyway 🙂

        sa sobrang dada, nakikita tuloy na walang laman ang tiny brainy nya, hahaha

  4. Benigno Simeon Aquino III (aka ‘BS Aquino’ or simply ‘abNoy’) has betrayed public trust by being part of lies that (true to his usual form) wasted government time and resources.

  5. which prosecutor is building a 100 million peso house and is taking delivery if a top of the range mercedes SUV. no wonder he is always grinning.
    check his saln next year

  6. I saw a picture of the sleeping president. This was posted in the upper left corner of the headlines section of the Philippine Star today(March 21, 2012).
    It showed him bending to carry what appears like a small stack of folders containing documents for meetings at the palace. He was obviously posing for a photo shoot. All this to give the impression that he is not our lazy leader. What happened to the assistants who carry this for the P-rex and arrange this on the conference table? Obviously anti-noynoying propaganda. It’s more fun in the Philipines!

  7. @Vincenzo said:

    ‘Bobo, tngn m dpat pang bgyan ng krapatan si Gloria mtapos nyang mgnakaw ng bilyon bilyon sa kaban ng bayan?’

    Before you say that to our faces, take a look at yourself; dapat ba bigyan ka ng karapatan kahit marami kang nagawang kasalanan sa mga magulang mo, kaibigan mo, etc.? What if we say no? Sabi ni Optimus Prime: “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.” So ibig sabihin, kahit ako may kasalanan, does that mean that I should not have the right to defend myself or to treat me kindly? Should I be deprived of any constitutional rights? As a Christian myself, I ask: why did God put the brain on top of our heads when he created us? Of course, to THINK.

    Vindictive minds always shows blatant idiocy. Vindictive minds causes destruction. Sorry, Vicenzo, but it won’t happen because you prefer LAWLESSNESS.

    Kung napanood nyo ung “The People vs. Larry Flynt”, which is based of a true story about the controversial Larry Flynt owner and chief of the porn magazine Hustler. Even I dislike porn as a Christian myself (which is a sin), after all, he has a point:

    “If the First Amendment will protect a scumbag like me, then it’ll protect all of you — ’cause I’m the worst.”

  8. Misled? Yes.
    Intentionally? I don’t think so.
    I don’t think they’re good enough to do that. I think they’re like a bunch of kids who accidentally dropped a piece of mentos into a glass of coke and wanted to tell everyone of their “discovery”.

    1. Hmmm…I think it was intentional. The term mislead/misled means:

      to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit.

      But you are right about them acting like kids. They didn’t think about getting caught.

        1. Joe, that must be a real thin book.
          I imagine it at best as a list of one-liners, at the awesomest a list of words 🙂

  9. “incompetent people are unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people’s ideas.”

    might i add also that incompetent people are unable to fathom the reasons behind other people’s actions and therefore are quick to judge them as unethical, immoral or whatever other adjective there is for what they think is unacceptable or inappropriate behavior.case in point is how many thought it was too rash for senator santiago to hurl the word gag* towards the unequivocably incompetent prosecution. what people fail to see, is how insulted senator santiago must have been, a seasoned senator and now judge of the icc, by the prosecution’s antics.

    corollary to this is how incomptent people seem to identify very quickly with immature behavior. interestingly, so many found it apt for atty. aguirre to just cover his ears to express disapproval for the manner by which they were treated by the senator judge. aguirre’s action was clearly deliberate, calculated even, intended to incite reaction from the media and the people who supposedly “follow” the impeachment but don’t really care to understand what’s going on.

    and on the matter of “respect begets respect”, let us not forget that it was the prosecution who first disrespected not only senator miriam but the entire impeachment court by, among other things, discussing the merits of case with the media, thereby fueling a very messy trial by publicity.

    did i go off topic? sorry for the rant. just saying.

  10. what we are seeing is the kindergarten of politics.
    a joke for western professionals, but far worse, an insult to the country.

    1. What can you expect.

      Right from the start of his term, Penoy is governing as if he is a president of student council.

      A shameless president…

  11. He he he I think everything have been said already in this thread.

    I can only say “the way these idiots’ minds work…”

    And Vincenzo is the lite version of one of phony commenters here.

    1. But I love vincenzo’s eccentricities, such as calling the president “Tito”

      Does that mean I would love more everyone else’s quirks? XD

        1. You actually mean Trosp is only a distant second to Vincenzo?!

          At least Trosp can construct passable English.

  12. The senator judges, as a body, are now presented with a “dilemma”. If they continue the trial, then they are accepting that they do not care being misled by the prosecution. If they don’t, the childish brat one-trick PNoy will only throw perhaps his most monumental tantrum to date.

    1. I don’t really think it’s a dilemna. They should not care about what PNoy thinks. Their decision is independent from his office. They actually need to prove their independence.

      1. That they do, but the fruit of money being dangled (whether it’s actually true or not) seems too sweet to resist doesn’t it? Another question is, why arethey so afraid of a “people’s will” that has absolutely nothing underneath to back it up.

  13. i hope you realise ‘vincenzo’ is an organisation not a person. its obvious enough from the postings – different spellings, different tones etc. i.e a number of people on ‘shift’ and posting under different names on other sites.
    malacanan ‘outsourcing’ trolling

      1. I knew it! You are a PNoy supporter.

        Sabi ko na nga ba you are just discouraging the writers from writing about the prosecution. Buko ka na!

      2. The Aquinos are the worst. Mga 50 years iyon, including the infamous Mendiola and Hacienda Luisita Massacres.

        I smell hypocrisy here.

        1. That was 50 years ago and you still have that baggage?!

          Corona just pointed a gun on a hapless caretaker just a good 13 years ago.

          Hmmm…..hypocrisy, two can play that game.

        2. @crude: Yes, the Aquino-Cojuangco clan is much a bigger fish comapared to the Arroyos and even Corona. The fullness of that corruption started after Marcos left. Just saying

          And why the hell did you get that? Source for the record or it’s all just hearsay, idiot. Or worse, Chewbacca defense.

        3. @crude: You said that Corona pointed a gun against a caretaker 13 years ago. Is THAT relevant? Can you give me the source.

          Vindictive malicious troll on the leash.

  14. nung pinapanood ko si LRA Baboy Tanga Bwi**t Diaz kahapon, parang gusto ko nang magpakamatay!
    Kasi parang wala na akong nakikitang magandang bukas.
    Tayo ay napapaligiran, at (worst)pinapamahalaan ng mga gago at incompetent na mga tao.

    At dito na nga lang sana ako nakapagpahinga sa GRP (salamat sa mga matitinong bloggers) nasundan pa ako ng “vincenzo” na yellowtard.

    Hoy vincenzo (o mga vincenzo), basahin mo nga ng matino ang mga posts ng mga bloggers dito at ikumpara mo dun sa inyo. Wag ka nga dito. Di mo ka-level ang mga tao dito.

    And sa mga bloggers d2, please, wag nyo na pong patulan.

    Vincenzo, dun ka nalang sa idol mong abnoy, hala magapakasarap kayo habang panahon nyo pa, for sure, years from now, ikakahiya ng mga apo natin ang panahon na to. Panahon kung saan nag hari ang kabobohan.

    1. yup, kitang kita sa manner ng mga comments, kung sino yellowtard, at kung sino nasa matinong pagiisip. member nga kasi ng SM (squatter mentality) si vincenzo. ok nga tong blogging site, marerealize mo na yung mga lumalabas sa media eh “not always what they seem”.

    2. @A.A

      Tayo ay napapaligiran, at (worst)pinapamahalaan ng mga gago at incompetent na mga tao.

      Apparently, according to a new study, majority are not aware of this. Which is the reason why the same people keep getting voted into office.

  15. Is there any point to this whole impeachment exercise? For starters this was never about justice or fighting corruption but the gratification of the whims and desire of the King in Yellow, second the prosecution team has been very blatantly lying ever since day one. In fact one has to question if we even have to go on with these whole dance. Even if one could overlook the first reason the second reason cannot be ignored. If the senators continue with the whole dance it shows that they are letting themselves be taken for fools with the lies the prosecution is peddling and also this is more a less a mistrial since the prosecution has done a very bad job of airing its views with are not even the truth. So the question ought to be asked is do we need to continue the impeachment or trash it as the garbage it is?

    1. Let’s trash it to the garbage and let Corona be acquitted. This is all part of Noynoy’s scheme against his political enemies. Only fools who are gullible enough to believe in this kind of nonsense guised as his ‘anti-corruption’ campaign. The prosecution panel are more like politicians than lawyers.

      As of now, I can consider any ‘anti-corruption’ campaign as trivial matters. It can easily sway the mindless masses because the media keeps telling them that corruption is ‘pagnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan’ BS. It’s simple: it’s more than that.

    2. Spot on, Lord. I wonder why some regulars here, even those who come from America, wherein the people succeed because they uphold the rule of law, just don’t get it? I bet they are just too stubborn to admit that they made a mistake in supporting PNoy.

      1. Maybe it’s because they can see through the superficiality of your arguments: that it is not rooted on improving the Filipino condition but merely to pull down a legitimate government by magnifying their mistakes and to rationalize and “sanitize” the overwhelming screw ups of those you side with.

        1. Like I always ask those who make statements like yours, please be specific by citing examples of what you consider “superficial”.

          While you are at it, cite also examples of screw ups of those I supposedly side with. Take note that I side with the law. 😉

          Thank you.

        2. Nah. All one has to do is read through all the articles, the posters and the replies.

          It’s not Rocket Science but it’s sure is a lot of work.

          But the bottomline is definitely not hard to miss.

        3. I do not have that much time in our hands yet. The impeachment court would have concluded already and we will just be warming up. And a lot of kibitzers will be joining the fray turning our discussion into a virtual circus.

          Also, it’s same as saying cite specific samples for your post “they made a mistake in supporting Pnoy”.

          Maybe I will compose an article sometime soon and we’ll play dartboard with it.

          Thanks 🙂

  16. guy had the gall to cleanse himself of all the fualts. even says that the day was a waste. Personally, it’s not. At elast i saw how competent aquino’s men are. Or perhaps incompetent.

  17. i think the bigger challenge for the defense team is how to open the eyes of the non lawyer senator-judges to the intricacies of the law and how it should be applied to the pertinent situations during the whole impeachment trial. some, especially those friendly to the prosecution seem to ignore what the defense lead counsel has been trying to make them understand considering their own biases. sometimes i feel sorry for justice cuevas when he belabors to point out a valid argument but is completely ignored theby them either deliberately because it does not support their own cause or they simply do not understand but are too proud to accept. i dont have high hopes of an acquital fir the cj given the situation. i hope i am wrong.

    1. I can’t belive some of the Senators have law degrees. It’s either they are turning a blind eye to the prosecution’s violations or they need to go back to school.

      1. yah it’s true…take the case of sen. drilon, very obvious naman ms. ilda na he’s giving the procesution some mileage when asking a clarificatory question but making an investigation of his own for the benefit of the prosecution. how shame of him…being a senator-judge sana next election tumakbo siyang congressman of iloilo so he can justify his role as a prosecutor not a senator-judge. dapat talga iinhibit niya sarili na dyan. paano malacanang takot na di makakuha ng 16 votes for conviction kaya ayaw nilang payagan na maginhibit si sen. drilon. as far as a know talaga numbers game yang impeachment na yan…i hope and pray kahit 8 senators lang ang bumoto ng acquitted e sapat na yon para hindi maconvict si cj corona. he’s a victim here…a victim of yellow, yellow government. thanks ms. ilda and more power…

  18. Hindi pa nakascore ang defense sa real properties. yong mga cancelled at sold properties may katapat na pera yan. susunod titingnan pa kung rasonable o hindi kadudaduda yong bentahan. wala namang malaking issue sa 45 properties, pinalalaki lang at ineexposed lang ng mga pro corona senators ang kawaln ng kaaalaman nila sa computer kaya ayaw nilang tanggapin kahit anong paliwanag. ang nagbubulag bulagan at nagbibingihan ay hindi tatangapin ang paliwanag ng iba.

    1. Just because some of the Senators make sense, it doesn’t mean they are pro-Corona. The problem with some people is they are not familiar with the process of analysing information, which is why they do not see the point of the discussion.

      Only people like you will say that “wala namang malaking issue sa 45 properties”. Of course it’s a big issue. A lot of people believed that Corona owns all those alleged properties and until now they still cannot shake the idea that he is a crook.

      1. That is usually the case Lady Ilda, if you made sense of anything (even if one is objective) that favors the CJ you are immediately labeled as “Pro-Corona”. Typical idiocy.

  19. i suggest a group commisions MORI in UK to undertake survey.
    lets publish the truth.
    they are the best in the world. i have used them often for corporate and general surveys in europe.

      1. It becomes a problem when…hanggang puro yabang lang, a very pinoy trait actually. They say that yabang is what people with crippling inadequacies resort to in order to conceal these.

        1. Damn straight. Sino nga pala ang author nito:

          “Sorry na lang sa mga bobo. Whether you guys are right or wrong, bobo pa rin kayo.”

        2. If that is not yabang(regardless if the poster is “right or wrong”), I think you will define that as humility.

          No grey area in GRP, right?

        3. @Deh Furer

          paki-ggogle lang ang “grey area” at “grey matter”.

          ….tungkol sa yo, palagay ko ikaw na mismo sumagot sa tanong mo.

        4. I try. Its a different subjects. I could give you the links Deh Furer.

          jeckx2 have the point.

  20. sad to say…it’s a ploy by the prosecution to misled the people of this country. dito sa bansa natin pag una kang napamedia ng a certain issue or may inireveal kang document just like the prosecution did, paniniwalan ka talaga agad. how irresponsible they are?? di sila ordinary people…mga mambabatas sila elected by their districts so dapat bago nila ito sinabi sa press icheck muna nila kung ilan ang alleged properties talaga ni cj corona.

      1. Did Corona break the law in having a dollar account? No he didn’t. A lot of people have dollar accounts and they are also protected by the bank secrecy law on dollar account.

        Did Corona write the law on dollar accounts? No, he didn’t. Go back to the lawmakers and ask them to amend it so they won’t have a hard time getting a subpoena.

      2. – but not everybody is on the impeachment stand today

        – but not everybody is being accused of amassing ill-gotten wealth (on top of a plethora of other serious allegations)

        – but not everybody pointed out that they will present their dollar account “in due time”….sounds strikingly familiar with TEMPORARY restraining order. I reckon temporary in law is directly opposite in meaning with that of standard dictionaries.

    1. In what way did they mislead the public? Have they rested their presentation already? Isn’t there a break for five weeks before they can proceed with their presentation? When did they say that CJ Corona will testify? Please give us the link to the article for reference.

  21. Ilda, just cut to the chase.

    What you and your minions are espousing is:

    There is still a chance that Corona maybe acquitted so you stick with the “let the law grind and let’s respect the procedures”. The judge heading the defense, Santiago, is still a force to reckon with. Drilon of the prosecution on the other hand does not seem to gain leverage.

    If a verdict of guilty is rendered however, you have the mistrial argument that you can always harp on.

    That is the ultimate gameplan both by you and the defense. Unprincipled if not meretricious at best.

    Either way, you will have your cake and eat it too, right?

    1. It’s pointless debating with them then.

      For what kind of stand is that, playing it safely with both ends? It’s neither here nor there.

      Arguing like lawyers to respect the procedure and the law and advocating that we leave the decision to impeachment court (because that is what the law states) while on the other extreme end harping that the whole proceeding is a farce and that it should have been a mistrial.

      We are being taken for a ride folks. Nobody will ran out of ammunition with that kind strategy.

      1. It’s pointless debating with them then.

        This is what some people normally say when they can’t be more specific with their arguments.

        Just a tip: When you deal with facts, you’ll never lose an argument.

        ciao

        1. If you call facts set of informations that ridiculously contradict each other, then I may have overestimated you.

        2. Again, please cite specific examples of what you consider “ridiculously contradicting each other”.

        3. Let’s not go far.

          Exhibit A.

          Ilda says:

          Usually the people who are “mayabang” are those who do not have any substance.

          On the other hand, Benigno says in his self-righteous article “Why it is important for Filipinos to stop being stupid” :

          Sorry na lang sa mga bobo. Whether you guys are right or wrong, bobo pa rin kayo.

          Emphasis on “whether you guys are right or wrong”

          Now how do you reconcile that?!

        4. Duh?!? You took snippets from a comment I made and combined it with another writer’s statements. That’s a lame way of proving inconsitencies.

          Well, sorry to say but the reason you cannot reconcile what we said is because you have taken them out of context. Just look up the meaning of the word “context” and you’ll understand my point.

    2. So you’re saying we’re going to be sore losers when Corona gets convicted… as if the other side won’t take to the streets if he gets acquitted. The way I see this, there will be sore losers whatever the verdict will be.

      “That is the ultimate gameplan both by you and the defense. Unprincipled if not meretricious at best.”

      This is the pot calling the kettle black. The prosecution has resorted to dragging the trial out of the courtroom and blatant character assassination, LOL. If that isn’t unprincipled then I don’t know what can be considered such anymore.

      Call a mistrial “unprincipled” all you want, but at the end of the day a mistrial is still within the bounds of law. Chalk it up to the prosecution’s ineptitude for allowing a potential mistrial to happen. You’re badly mistaken if you think we know that Corona isn’t guilty; it’s just that we believe that the prosecution has failed miserably in convincing us of his guilt. If Corona is indeed guilty of all the charges and he gets away with it, the fault lies in no one else but the prosecution.

      1. You missed the point auriga.

        What am asking is what is that you make a principled stand and then argue passionately about it without being too “safe”. Your position here is a an “either-way-we-win” thing.

        If Corona is declared innocent, you go “This is a triumph of the Law. The senators acting as Impeachment Court just followed the Law to the letter”.

        If Corona is declared guilty, you go “The Senate erred by proceeding with the Impeachment, we argued from the very start that this is a mistrial but they proceeded anyway”

        Now how in the world can you argue with that?!

        1. @M. Sarcas:

          Talking about double standard here. It seems that this ‘trial by publicity’ is a-ok to you. I know you will argue with that by saying ‘no.’

          If Corona is declared guilty, it should be a fair trial. But that would not happen if they go on this. Even Enrile and Miriam are aghast on what the prosecution is doing; some trolls never get the picture. And maybe that includes you.

        2. @ Daido Katsumi

          Your style of rebuttal is to divert the original argument to a level suited to you. How many times have you been slapped head on?

          Your real faculty manifests when you exhibit mental stuttering to unintelligibility.

        3. @M.Sacras:

          As someone who is intelligent, your EMO is showing full force.

          Almost all Noytards are like that.

        4. Thanks; I now have a better understanding of what you mean, and I am not going to argue that I am above your scenario.

          However, haven’t we been calling for a mistrial since all this began? Sorry if that was worded poorly, so let me elaborate… even if Corona does get acquitted, we will still stand by our belief that this trial should never have happened. An acquittal will not change the fact that the prosecution’s ineptitude and the Senate’s indecision wasted both time and taxpayers’ money. Call it a “victory” if you want, but a good deal of “us” will consider this pyrrhic. That all this proceeded due to a mistake of a Senate and would end with the same Senate adhering to the law would, at best, cancel each other out.

          *Call me ignorant or stupid, but may I add that thanks to all this hullabaloo I now know what “pyrrhic” means. I guess that’s a “victory” for myself, lol.*

          And besides, I don’t think such a basic notion of “winning” and “losing” applies here.

        5. Everybody is a loser here except the major players who benefited, be it from the government or the opposition.

          What I ultimately detest is:

          (1) We all agree that those we defend and prosecute are all corrupt; it just depend on the gravity of their corruption as we individually perceive it. You can check the posts, the argument “Official A is MORE CORRUPT than Official B……” occasionally pops up.

          (2) When we have the chance to have them accountable, we argue with holier-than-thou premises.

          Ideal if we can start with the big ones, but if we can’t start with them, might as well with the small ones. It always has to start somewhere.

          Now an argument that has become a cliche,”let’s prosecute them according to the law”, will be a canned rebuttal. Again it’s another chicken and egg story. The fact that CJ submitted to the Impeachment Court at the start, the argument mistrial is water under the bridge. Another idiom succinctly puts it “crying over spilt milk”

          I believe that the Philippines will be at least be a better place with one less corrupt official at a time if putting them accountable en masse is futile.

        6. First, the only reason why you are convinced he is corrupt is because that’s what the prosecution has told the public through various media networks. I hope you can prove to us all that you are capable of giving an individual the benefit of the doubt.

          If you let PNoy and the Cogressmen who signed the complaint get away with their violations, they will do this again with their political enemies. Can’t you see that they are very selective? Why can’t they follow the SALN law themselves?

          I believe that the Philippines will be at least be a better place with one less corrupt official at a time if putting them accountable en masse is futile.

          It will be in a worst place because the other branches of government will be at the mercy of the executive. Do you want a dictatorship?

        7. @ Daido

          I have read that EMO crap…. ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Next time you’ll be throwing the toilet.

          A discerning person in his right mind will know which is which and who is who.

        8. Again Ilda, your inconsistencies. I have read sometime ago your article regarding Davao’s Duterte and you “seem” to argue for his style of governance.

        9. You need to read that article again because I was not endorsing dictatorship. I was actually asking Filipinos what kind of leadership they want. And besides, PNoy is not a Lee Kuan Yew. He’ll never be a good dictator because he does not even have a vision for the country. He does not have economic policy that is different to that of GMA or previous administrators. He’s just acting like a bully.

        10. “And besides, PNoy is not a Lee Kuan Yew. He’ll never be a good dictator because he does not even have a vision for the country.”

          And you want me to read your article again?

          This is the same inconsistencies magnified exponentially in the guise of a good read.

          Yes, most Filipinos are not the discerning lot….and I would like to reiterate….I said most.

        11. And you want me to read your article again?

          Yes, because you did not get the point of the article.

          This is the same inconsistencies magnified exponentially in the guise of a good read.

          The fact that you are still hanging around here means you find the articles “good”. 😉

          Yes, most Filipinos are not the discerning lot….and I would like to reiterate….I said most.

          Then you agree that they can be gullible enough to believe PNoy’s propaganda.

        12. “The fact that you are still hanging around here means you find the articles “good””.

          (MS)Some good, yes. Some detestable, yes.

          “Then you agree that they can be gullible enough to believe PNoy’s propaganda.”

          (MS) Yes, or put another way, most Filipinos are gullible enough (including so-called intellectuals) they will believe that getting off the hook legally through technicalities means one is not corrupt after all.

        13. Again, the fact that you are still here mean they are “good”.

          Yes, or put another way, most Filipinos are gullible enough (including so-called intellectuals) they will believe that getting off the hook legally through technicalities means one is not corrupt after all.

          People who side with the law are not being gullible. If the Congressmen, used their brain, they wouldn’t have signed the impeachment complaints in the first place. If the Congressmen/prosecutors wrote and filed their articles of impeachment complaints properly and if they did not violate the law in presenting their evidence, they wouldn’t be in this predicament.

          The people who say that the prosecutors have a strong case are the ones being gullible because they believe hearsays.

        14. “Everybody is a loser here except the major players who benefited, be it from the government or the opposition.”

          So… What ever happened to the “either-way-we-win” thingamajig?

          “(1) We all agree that those we defend and prosecute are all corrupt; it just depend on the gravity of their corruption as we individually perceive it. You can check the posts, the argument “Official A is MORE CORRUPT than Official B……” occasionally pops up.”

          You’re taking this out of context. We’re complaining about double standards. Forget about who is more corrupt than who; all I’m seeing is corrupt politicians going after other corrupt politicians. Talk about hypocrisy! It’s akin to cleaning with a dirty rag. Don’t tell me you expect to clean anything with a dirty rag.

          “(2) When we have the chance to have them accountable, we argue with holier-than-thou premises.”

          What “holier-than-thou premises?” Care to elaborate?

          “The fact that CJ submitted to the Impeachment Court at the start, the argument mistrial is water under the bridge.”

          Did the defense not call for a pretrial?

          “I believe that the Philippines will be at least be a better place with one less corrupt official at a time if putting them accountable en masse is futile.”

          Again, corrupt politicians holding other corrupt politicians accountable. If that isn’t futile I don’t know what is.

        15. Everybody is a loser here except the major players who benefited, be it from the government or the opposition.”

          (MS)I am referring to the people who holds no office, the common man.

          So… What ever happened to the “either-way-we-win” thingamajig?

          (MS)I was referring to Ilda’s style of argument whatchamacalit.

          “(1) We all agree that those we defend and prosecute are all corrupt; it just depend on the gravity of their corruption as we individually perceive it. You can check the posts, the argument “Official A is MORE CORRUPT than Official B……” occasionally pops up.”

          You’re taking this out of context. We’re complaining about double standards. Forget about who is more corrupt than who; all I’m seeing is corrupt politicians going after other corrupt politicians. Talk about hypocrisy! It’s akin to cleaning with a dirty rag. Don’t tell me you expect to clean anything with a dirty rag.

          (MS)I have a better analogy for you. When a patient is losing blood and fighting for life, to stop the bleeding you need to wrap it to suppress the bleeding with any possible thing you have…plastic, your shirt, a dirty rag. Your choice:you die in a few minutes due to blood loss or you die of infection for several days (by that time I reckon you have been brought to the hospital). It’s a difficult decision for those who usually rely on others to make it for them but for those who know better, it’s a walk in the park.

          “(2) When we have the chance to have them accountable, we argue with holier-than-thou premises.”

          What “holier-than-thou premises?”
          Care to elaborate?

          (MS)This one I leave up to you. I hope you know better.

          “The fact that CJ submitted to the Impeachment Court at the start, the argument mistrial is water under the bridge.”

          Did the defense not call for a pretrial?

          (MS)Yes, and I think the fact the Impeachment Court was convened, the trial has commenced, the parties were represented….is tantamount to the idea that a decision has been lawfully made. I believe the reason you are waiting for the verdict is because that is supposed to be the lawful rendition right, coming from the Impeachment Court?

          “I believe that the Philippines will be at least be a better place with one less corrupt official at a time if putting them accountable en masse is futile.”

          Again, corrupt politicians holding other corrupt politicians accountable. If that isn’t futile I don’t know what is.

          (MS)Well I guess if we common citizen file the impeachment complaint, it will still be forwarded to Congress and then congressmen will still be forwarding that to the Impeachment Court and so on and so forth. Or you think it is possible that we, the common citizen, will represent the prosecution team without the aid of the congressmen?

          (MS)Also, borrowing from your same logic, corrupt judges judging other corrupt politicians accountable. If that isn’t futile, I don’t know what is.

        16. Everybody is a loser here except the major players who benefited, be it from the government or the opposition.”

          (MS)I am referring to the people who holds no office, the common man.

          So… What ever happened to the “either-way-we-win” thingamajig?

          (MS)I was referring to Ilda’s style of argument whatchamacalit.

          LOLWUT?

          Earlier you said:

          What am asking is what is that you make a principled stand and then argue passionately about it without being too “safe”. Your position here is a an “either-way-we-win” thing.

          If Corona is declared innocent, you go “This is a triumph of the Law. The senators acting as Impeachment Court just followed the Law to the letter”.

          If Corona is declared guilty, you go “The Senate erred by proceeding with the Impeachment, we argued from the very start that this is a mistrial but they proceeded anyway”

          I guess it’s safe to say Ilda and I as well as the others here in GRP are “common men.”

          And besides, how the hell does “either-way-we-win” apply to the defense!? If their client gets convicted it’s their loss. They failed to prove the innocence of their client to the court. Even if they keep preaching about mistrial and the other should-haves the fact will remain that their client got convicted. The most they can do it appeal the decision and pray it gets overturned. If it doesn’t, well too bad; they lost.

          (MS)I have a better analogy for you. When a patient is losing blood and fighting for life, to stop the bleeding you need to wrap it to suppress the bleeding with any possible thing you have…plastic, your shirt, a dirty rag. Your choice:you die in a few minutes due to blood loss or you die of infection for several days (by that time I reckon you have been brought to the hospital). It’s a difficult decision for those who usually rely on others to make it for them but for those who know better, it’s a walk in the park.

          And I would do the same.

          But unfortunately your analogy makes use of a split-second decision; that doesn’t apply here.

          (MS)This one I leave up to you. I hope you know better.

          You’re the one making claims here. Burden of proof is on you.

          Did the defense not call for a pretrial?

          (MS)Yes, and I think the fact the Impeachment Court was convened, the trial has commenced, the parties were represented….is tantamount to the idea that a decision has been lawfully made. I believe the reason you are waiting for the verdict is because that is supposed to be the lawful rendition right, coming from the Impeachment Court?

          Are we even on the same page?

          (MS)Well I guess if we common citizen file the impeachment complaint, it will still be forwarded to Congress and then congressmen will still be forwarding that to the Impeachment Court and so on and so forth. Or you think it is possible that we, the common citizen, will represent the prosecution team without the aid of the congressmen?

          One word: election. Remember the dirty rag? Problem with most of us is we keep choosing dirty rags.

          (MS)Also, borrowing from your same logic, corrupt judges judging other corrupt politicians accountable. If that isn’t futile, I don’t know what is.

          Touche. But you can refer to my rebuttal above.

    3. This one is cool –

      ““Why it is important for Filipinos to stop being stupid.

      Sorry na lang sa mga bobo. Whether you guys are right or wrong, bobo pa rin kayo.”

      And somebody interpreted this as “ridiculously contradicting each other”.

      It’s not contradicting each other.

      Shall we say independent from each other.

      Being marunong or bobo has nothing to do with being right or wrong.

      (Heh, telling us that being bobo means you’re always wrong.)

      Sorry na lang sa mga marurunong. Whether you guys are right or wrong, marurunong pa rin kayo.

      Get the drift?

  22. Also, I do not just swallow whatever that is presented. I chew, I digest and I will regurgitate if proven wrong.

    But am exposed to making judgment calls day in and day out. It’s not like the trial or the controversy just started yesterday.

    By this time in the impeachment trial, you can very gauge for yourself whatever the defense or the prosecution have in their sleeves.

    And am telling you Corona’s howling that there was a mistrial (citing the same o same o argument)is just what Cuevas prescribed him to get him off the hook. No more, no less.

    1. And am telling you Corona’s howling that there was a mistrial (citing the same o same o argument)is just what Cuevas prescribed him to get him off the hook. No more, no less.

      You obviously cannot comprehend the concept of upholding the rule of law. You need to read up more. You have a lot of catching up to do.

    2. @M.Sacras

      Where is your outrage when prior to the impeachment hearing these prosecutors are parading their pieces of evidence of Corona’s 45 illegally acquired properties (Now it’s only 21 according to them against 5 based on Corona’s properties record) without supporting it with any proof except for their word that it’s the real deal?

      Where is your outrage when these prosecutors are denying that the exposure of 45 Corona’s properties did not come from them but from the media? Records show that they were the ones who called the presscon brandishing the questionable records while mocking Corona and his family members including his in-laws?

      Did you not even flinch when these prosecutors are mocking Corona that they will drag his family, in-laws, and every body (employees, gardeners, etc.) with him if he would not just resign?

      And now you’re, like a cry baby, you’re whining because Corona is claiming a mistrial which is a normal part of any court legal arguments.

      And Penoy would not accept anything less than the conviction of Corona while the hearing is still going on and even Corona has not presented yet his defence witnesses.

      Where is your outage?

      BTW, may I ask how do you want the hearing to proceed? Just to give us an idea what is the correct one based on how you want it.

      I like this one from you –

      “By this time in the impeachment trial, you can very gauge for yourself whatever the defense or the prosecution have in their sleeves.”

  23. And you are too traditional and orthodox you still believe in the infallibility of the Supreme Court at a time when even the churches doctrines are being subjected to debates and criticisms, when previously thought-of untouchable dictators are being pulled out from their thrones one after the other.

    And I thought your mantra was “WE BEG TO DIFFER”.

    1. What makes you say that I believe in the infallibility of the Supreme Court? Please explain. Use my articles as basis not your opinion. Thank you.

    2. @ M.Sacras

      Nobody here in this blog mentioned that Supreme Court is infallible except you. Where did you get that? Who has fed you that? I’m sure, based on your claim that you don’t swallow whatever is presented to you, that this one is not an exemption.

      What if I tell you that the Supreme Court may not be infallible but it is always right.

      1. “What if I tell you that the Supreme Court may not be infallible but it is always right.”

        To be read as –

        “What if I tell you that the Supreme Court may not be infallible but is always right.”

        1. @M.Sacras

          You have proven a point for all to appreciate. Allow me to rewrite… It is your sewer brain that has decomposed to a fecal level and it has attracted flies. Let me guess. You are a “thinking” public nuisance I presume?

        2. Hahaha.

          Coming from a poster who can source links but can not differentiate two common figures of speech from one another and post hastily just to have a quick rebuttal, nah…..

          Not worth it.

        3. @M.Sacras

          You are just a nuisance poster. Not even brilliant in fecal writing. In fact you are like the One. A walking Murphy’s Law. You happen most of the time! LoL! This is my final response to your fascinating logic.

        4. This M.Sacras is a funny dud, he can’t refute anybody here who are advocates of pro-due process.

          What are his excuses (take note Maher boy aka Joe Amrerica, pareho kayo ng diskarte – ika nga ” birds of the same feather”. Baka the same person:

          “Hahaha.

          Coming from a poster who can source links but can not differentiate two common figures of speech from one another and post hastily just to have a quick rebuttal, nah…..

          NOT WORTH IT.”

          “Or I guess you gave that a long thought, huh?!”

          My question is: IS IT WORTH posting his comment here if he is just attacking others opinion but will not take responsibility/accountability of giving a reply except for his above taunts (or derision)?

          This dud’s comprehension is as if you’re talking to Bill Maher.

          Another idiot!

          Next applicant!

      2. @Deh Fuhrer

        “Not even brilliant in fecal writing.” Thank you for making that clear.

        Of course I am not! Nobody can ever match wits with you and Trosp on that department.

        And, I failed to mention, you also believe that babies are delivered by storks don’t you?

  24. In my previous comment:

    “Nobody here in this blog mentioned that Supreme Court is infallible except you. Where did you get that? Who has fed you that? I’m sure, based on your claim that you don’t swallow whatever is presented to you, that this one is not an exemption.

    What if I tell you that the Supreme Court may not be infallible but is always right.”

    This M.Sacras, aka The Other Idiot, counter- comment:

    “I think the discussion has decomposed to a fecal level it has attracted flies.”

    Is that a counter-argument?

    So his counter-argument is better than anybody else in this commenting board. You refute him and he will change the topic at his will.

    Sorry na lang M.Sacras. Whether you are right or wrong, bobo ka pa rin!.

    Next applicant!

    1. Let there be a difference between commenting to express and to impress.

      This M.Sacras will not pass both except with Maher boy aka Joe America’s standard…

        1. @M.Sacras

          Obviously, you are a rank amateur in both writing and insults. You said: “I do not post to kiss someone else’s….

          Let me put some words into your beautiful mouth.

          This is for Trosp. Bend over and kiss Uranus. Your planet rules!

          Die trolle leben der kuckuck suhr welt. Guten nacht.

  25. Trosp, maybe we could be debate now. I think that you are intelligent particularly with your arguements.

    Can we begin firstly with you’re saying that what if I tell you that the Supreme Court may not be infallible but its is always right?

    I googles the sentence “infallible” and “always” and “right”. My analyzations is in a way the opposite. How come you says so?

    1. Is it is possible you do not understand you’re terms you were used? How can it is be that it may not be infallible then right all the time?

      Does not the meaning of infallible it is flawless or perfect? If that is not perfect or flawless, the Supreme court then this should not be right all this time, right? I will be confused a ‘lil bit here.

      Did I got you in there!

      Buy the way your are my idol Sir 🙂

    2. My previous comment was some sort of a dare – “What if I tell you that the Supreme Court may not be infallible but is always right.”

      Just to give Sarc a straw to hold on with his pathetic claims.

      This is actually a fictionalized dogma and you can’t hear it being mentioned by any Supreme Court justices. Most of the time you hear or read it from lawyers, pundits and opinion makers. Some of them even go to the extent of asserting that “if the Supreme Court is wrong, they’re still right”.

      One must read in Wiki on how the Philippine Supreme Court perform it’s duties and functions. However, I’m highlighting the below –

      “In the exercise of appellate review, the Supreme Court may reverse the decision of lower courts upon finding of an “error of law”.

      And Article 8 section 14 of our constitution –

      “No decision shall be rendered by any court without expressing therein clearly and distinctly the facts and the law on which it is based.”

      The Supreme Court is the final interpreter of the law and you can’t fault them if the law where they based their ruling is defective.

      You may agree or disagree with that.

      Me? With the above conditions, I agree with that fictionalized dogma.

  26. I think Sir that I will like to be taken Law and to be a lawyer. I am graduating next year as Engineer and it is to be important to not make mistake in our fields of work. mahirap! Many will be affected by any wrong decisions not like to be a lawyer, it is okay because it is been reviewed again and again. I also read verdicts that is regret by the supreme court like the PAL airlines and three times. If that is my work in engineering I will be demanded and probably lost my lisence.

    Maybe I can be a judge also even at regional then works my way up. I know it is a very good and rich career. Thank you for this helpful tip Sir.

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