To “economists” like @JCPunongbayan “Troll!” is a SOUND argument

I earlier wrote an article providing my viewpoint on the idea that there is such a notion as a “Philippine economy in the time of Marcos and Duterte”. This cites the topic of discussion in a symposium pitched using that title that features renowned PhD of Economics candidate and Rappler contributor JC Punongbayan.

The points I articulate are simple:

(1) Regard the Philippine whollistically and not taken out of context for political purposes (i.e. by correlating movements in economic indicators to specific presidents);

(2) Re-evaluate the conclusion that former and current presidents Ferdinand Marcos and Rodrigo Duterte respectively were the cause of the behaviour of economic indicators during their terms under the principle that correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

To these points made in the article, Punongbayan’s response was this:

Sa troll na nagsulat ng blog post against me, maraming salamat sa pag-promote ng @rapplerdotcom at @UsapangEcon! 😁

(Don’t bother looking for the post. Uhaw lang sa engagement ang troll na ito.)

One’s gotta wonder though. Is “troll!” a valid response to someone who offers a different point of view? You’d expect a bit more from an aspiring “PhD” of “economics” and a member of the student body of that famous university of so-called “dissent” — the University of the Philippines.

In Punongbayan’s attitude to those who disagree with him lies the fundamental problem of the Philippines’ intellectual landscape (if there is, indeed, something of that sort to begin with). To people like Punongbayan, those who disagree with one’s views are little short humanoids with big ears and ugly faces. Indeed, this is mirrored in the overall regard of the Opposition led by the Liberal Party (a.k.a. the Yellowtards) in the paraphernalia they use in their “protest” rallies. Much of these paraphernalia is marked by imagery of demons and defaced images of politicians they despise.

At the core of the ‘activism’ of the Philippine Opposition is a primitive belief in the supernatural.

It is, in fact, the height of irony that the Yellowtards’ most revered blogger, the eminent Jover Laurio of Pinoy Ako Blog (PAB) is the Philippines’ foremost advocate of seeing past physical appearances and focusing on the message being conveyed by the messenger. Yet, even the images used in PAB also reflect this same ironic attitude towards dissent. The accompanying image used in a typical PAB post often involves use of defaced images of people — presumably to make them look ugly.

Ironic, considering this is Pinoy Ako Blog we are talking about, right?

Image used in the Pinoy Ako Blog article ‘She Was Fired Pala

That the idea that someone could be discredited simply by painting that person under an ugly light or suggesting that this person is the devil incarnate still resonates in 21st Century Philippine society is quite amusing. Laurio, to be fair, could be excused for this style of discourse considering that if you judge her book beyond its cover you’d still come up with not much to work with as far as critical thinking goes. However, with aspiring “doctors of economics” such as JC Punongbayan who leans on the academic creds of no less than the Philippines’ premiere State University, there is no excusing such anti-intellectual behaviour.

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48 Comments on “To “economists” like @JCPunongbayan “Troll!” is a SOUND argument”

  1. Meh. Par for the course.

    Probably worth pointing out here that the Philippines never invented any such thing as ‘philosophy’ – or if they did, it’s been lost in the mists of time. What remnants of it they do have were imported (and bastardized in the process) from other cultures. They therefore never developed ideas about formal logic, or indeed rhetoric (which in both the East and the West was an important part of philosophical debate).

    It’s hardly surprising that even a PhD candidate is incapable of even the most basic reasoning. It’s a learned skill, and Filipinos aren’t even aware that the skill exists. Filipino “debates” are based entirely on who shouts the loudest, has the highest social status, and issues the most plausible death threats.

      1. Well, academic qualifications are completely misunderstood here too. I think it was sarda who said something along the lines of: academic degrees are only valued because they allow you to lord it over other people. JCPunongbayan is right and everyone else is wrong because he has a PhD. QED.

      2. Modern societies always rely on experts who are QUALIFIED. Proven with the fact that they studied. It’s why we have doctors, lawyers , engineers etc.

        You’re just a shit-post blogger making claims out of his/her ass. You don’t even bother to provide any actual data in your posts to back your claims. It’s too bad you don’t have the HUGE TITS and ASS of Mocha Uson. Because apparently that’s a better qualification than having a FREAKIN PHD from the most ELITE SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY to get retards to listen to you.

        1. It’s better to rely on ACTUAL experts than activists or amateurs that are posing as ‘experts’. If Punongbayan meets Gloria Arroyo, who is actually an economist and spends her time teaching at UP, he will only resort to emotional outbursts instead.

          Says the guy who is actually a shitposting Yellowtard making claims out of his/her ass. You only rely on threats and ad hominem on your posts every time. It’s too bad that your hate obsession of Mocha Uson gets the better of you that you even spit on the face of the Lumads when they expose that they are being used by leftist groups and even the NPA to oppose Duterte that you got even butthurt and pin blame on Mocha instead. And in case you don’t notice, that so-called “most elite school in the country” produced a lot of retards and idiots that keeps on opposing governments for their own ideology or even being elected just to be trapos and for corruption. That’s UP in a nutshell. Same goes to Ateneo.

    1. Oh sure… You say it as if the West or the East don’t borrow or build on ideas from other sources and time. The Filipinos can certainly develop ideas for advancement if they go beyond the imposed materialist ideology that’s consuming most of people’s lives nowadays.

  2. JC Punongbayan doesn’t even understood what a “troll” really means.

    Let’s start by getting our definitions straight: An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.

    With benign0’s previous blog post, I don’t think he’s trolling. What Punongbayan is doing right here is downright immature. And don’t get me started at Jover Laurio, What an uncultured swine she was.

  3. It’s election season, every time you try to have a meaningful conversation with the Opposition or Yellows, they’ll close their ears and hurl every insult while not addressing the topic or problem, but you have to consider this is the same type of Yellow that seem to miraculously double down on dubious claims while ignoring their own screw-ups in the economy or disappearance tax money or billions worth of donations, because EJK and Martial Law. And what a surprise from a Rappler blogger following the bandwagon on “Liberal Civility” from the West.

    1. “It’s election season” – TUNOD

      EVERYDAY IN THE PHILIPPINES IS ELECTION SEASON … looks like Tunod doesn’t read Filipino newspapers because if he did all their fake news coverage and OP-Eds are all about POLITICAL ANALYSIS because this is what Filipinos are only good at. NOTHING MORE.

      WHY POLITICAL ANALYSIS ? Because in political analysis nobody is wrong they are always right; 2ndly, it doesn’t need elementary mathematics unlike PURE SCIENCE like FORENSIC SCIENCE; 3rdly, with Filipinos propensity and addiction to gossip. POLITICAL SCIENCE ANALYSIS is based on gossips and innuendoes; 4thly, ANYONE CAN PLAY THE GAME !!!

      WHAT THESE POLITICAL ANALYTIC PUNDITS always not delve into are LAWS & its application and FORENSIC INVESTIGATION.

      Foreigners wonder why. I explained to them and now they know why. They asked me why I involve myself in Philippine Politics not fear of deportation. I tell them I am an American. If they touch me DONALD TRUMP WILL TOUCH THEIR LIVES.

    2. I really don’t know why it’s even up for debate that Marcos is the one that set the Philippines in it’s ruinous path. The country was prosperous prior to / and the first few years of Marcos. But he basically F–k it up. ALL THE DAMN DATA say the same thing.

      Now just because presidents since then haven’t been able to cure this sickness. They have been effective to varying degrees. Doesn’t exonerate the MAIN CAUSE OF THE DISEASE.

      It’s like a dying patient blaming the medicine.

      Duterte isn’t Marcos. But he has the potential to be with his tendencies and temperament. If the Duterte wasn’t one foot in the grave (dying) the Philippines would be in a much tighter iron grip.

      Sites like GRP glamorize dictatorship. But for every Singapore , there are countless North Koreans, African countries and Venezuela.

      1. You overrate that same kind of data but it’s hilarious that you went totally EMO over Marcos that he shattered the country. You’re clueless that his successors f*cked it up even more and they’re gonna blame it on Marcos.

        TBH, what Punongbayan did is politically motivated. The bias is already there. What the likes of Punongbayan wanted to make is that the Philippines to be like North Korea and Venezuela because they’re socialist/Communist countries. BTW, UP is more aligned on the Left so don’t say you don’t know about this.

        1. Marcos started the trend. Data shows that the Philippines started to decay because of him. He practically BANKRUPTED the country. Look at the data of GDP, of exports , of foreign debt.

          Again just because his predecessors weren’t able to fix it (and they have their own failings) doesnt absolve Marcos of the ROOT CAUSE.

          Without EDSA, the Philippines would have ended up EXACTLY like VENEZUELA or like NK with you Geiz, kissing the picture of the dear leader BONG BONG marcos. But I bet you’d like that huh? That probably gets you all wet and bothered inside.

          Lol. All research has some bias. It would be nice if GRP presented actual data to back their arguments. Instead of relying on their brand of pseudo-intellectual passive aggressive BS.

          But then a pea brain like you Geiz probably can’t understand HARD data anyway.

        2. @Darth Yellow:

          When I present data, I’ll just show the Philippine economy as a WHOLE (from the 1960s up to today), not just on Marcos.

          Right, here you with your ‘Marcos started the trend and he bankrupted the country’ overration. Seems you’re clueless about the fact that his successors bankrupted the country even more thru the 1987 Constitution and its non-progressive policies that allow them to do their thing LEGITIMATELY that it regressed the county for over 30 years while the rest of them are getting kickbacks.

          I tell you, EDSA 1 is a mistake because it only transitioned from one family to another family in power. And since you brought up BongBong in the discussion, he even said in one of his interviews that “we would be like Singapore” if his father is alive. Nope, Filipinos are so stupid and too emotional for their own good that they resort to blind rage and say “we would be like North Korea and/or Venezuela” when these countries are subject to Communism/socialism. Are you trying to say Marcos is a Communist/socialist?

          Yeah, all research have some bias. But it will much better if you don’t rely with your rage and appeal to the emotions BS like you’re presenting.

          But a EMO-induced Yellow brain like Darth Yellow probably can’t understand ACTUAL HARD data anyway… because his brain is totally fixed on one tainted surname because he’s too cowardly to look at the bigger picture since “it will only hurt his feelings.” That’s some typical leftist SJW cuckery right there.

  4. Lookit, this is what I observed in Filipinos … may they be Philippine Doctor or masters in nth degrees the common element of their vocabulary are:
    1. Bading
    2. Retard
    3. TROLL
    4. Psycho
    5. Mental
    6. Your English sucks
    7. and other put downs …

    PUNONGBAYAN is one of them a doctorate of TROLLiskaya

  5. “Because I am more educated than you, I am more than right than you”, this is the argument of that, GRP troll, Punongbayan. The University of the Philippines academics, has leaned too much to the “far left” political agenda. Most of the time, they rally and opposed those who were against the Aquino Cojuangco political axis. I even wonder, if they are paid hacks of the Aquinos.

    Most of those in the C.P.P./N.P.A. leftist radicals came from the U.P. Dr. Jesus Lava, M.D. was the first advocate of communism from U.P. Then came , Jose Maria Sison, who is now living a good life in Amsterdam, Holland.

    Lead the N.P.A./C.P.P. , exile yourself and become a multimillionaire !

    I, as an ordinary Filipino, may not know more about “Economics”, than that GRP troll, Punongbayan. However, I have the “carabao sense”, to know/sense, when I am misinformed by people, who claim to be more educated than me !

    1. Using your logic, you also shouldn’t go to a doctor anymore. Screw the fact that they studied and their so called “expertise”, your CARABAO SENSE is sooo much better as you are armed with the internet and despite the fact you have zero training whatsoever.

      Next time you get sick, you should listen to gweneth paltrow and just STICK EGGS IN YOUR VAGINA.
      Do us all a favor and reduce the number of stupid in this country.

      1. “reduce the number of stupid in this country”

        It refers more to the likes of you, right? You’re filthy personal attacks and that. Nice try, son.

        1. Unsubscribe The Filipino Channels and looney Filipino Channels that are purveyors of stupidity !!!

          SIMPLE AS THAT.

  6. Lol. TROLL is the appropriate response to shit-posts coming from a pseudo intellectual like yourself. For someone who claims to love science, you seem to forget the tenets of the scientific method.

    You’ve basically presented no SUPPORTABLE counter-argument. WHERE IS YOUR DATA BENIGNO??? How exactly are your recommendations contributing to the discussion. WHAT PROCESS ARE YOU USING TO COME TO YOUR CONCLUSIONS / RECOMMENDATIONS???

    WHERE IS YOUR DAMN DATA!!??

    None. No data. Just random stuff pulled from your ass.

    I know you get a hard on bashing the Philippines, Benigo. But putting “air quotes” on things doesn’t make you smart. I makes you seem like a passive aggressive prissy sissy teenage girl who is on her first period.

    Because that is what you are. Getting a Phd doesn’t automatically make you correct. But at least he has data and facts to fall back on. As opposed to your arguments which don’t have any academic rigor at all (and quite frankly is just faux intellectual masterbation). Maybe go back to school and learn basic Econ before you write?

  7. Senate President and scream “Never again to Martial Law of Marcial Bonifacio aka Ninoy Aquino madbomber of plaza miranda and cpp/npa/ndf founder!”his father was a guy who got shot at an airport in 1983 and then crowned “national hero” for his and his family’s trouble. At least, in that regard, the Yellowtard mind is consistent to be Uto uto or shall we say dumbdowning pilipinos for thirty five years of mass media manipulations of brain washing and expecting a bit more from an aspiring “PhD” of “economics” and a member of the student body of that famous university of so-called “dissent” — the University of the Philippines…
    This highlights just how shallow a song-and-dance election campaigns are and just how stupid Filipino voters of madpnoy abnoy kulangkulang99 creator of four million pilipino addicts are to lap up all the bullshit on sale during these circuses.
    Indeed, this is not to say that it is not just the Martial Law Crybaby rhetoric on sale in this market of bullshittery. Filipinos need to be better evaluators of their politicians than they ever had been over the last half-century since they were granted “independence” by the United States in 1946. Both camps — whether Yellowtard or Dutertard — call out the stupidity of the Filipino voter. So no one or clique of politicians is innocent of the charge of bullshitting Filipino voters with empty slogans and downright misleading rhetoric.
    What makes the “Never Again” activist brand particularly good as an example of just how dishonest Filipino partisans, communists, and “activists” are is its standout emptiness and fallacious nature. Imee Marcos is seen to be a “Martial Law” perpetrator simply because her father happened to be president during the “Martial Law Years”. It’s the very same exact logic applied to the notion that one vote for Benigno Simeon ‘BS’ Aquino III — the accidental presidential candidate of 2010 — because his father was a guy who got shot at an airport in 1983 and then crowned “national hero” for his and his family’s trouble. At least, in that regard, the Yellowtard mind is consistent to be Uto uto or shall we say dumbdowning pilipinos for thirty five years of mass media manipulations of a non pilipino but a Malaysian who legally used a Malaysian passport traveling from three countries USA,japan and Malaysia…

    1. Lol. That’s true for all politicians. Anywhere. Not just in the Philippines.

      The Justin Trudeau is the son of a former politician. The Bushs, The Kennedys, Hillary Clinton. List goes on and on. Grace Poe is WORST as her father wasn’t even in public service.

      The good they do creates a brand which is good will for the voters.

      In that vein. MARCOS should have nothing but BAD WILL. The fact that Bongbong/ Imee can run and be in power speaks to how effective historical revisionism is . Paid hacks like GRP spout out BS with no data backing them whatsoever.

      1. In that vein. MARCOS should have nothing but BAD WILL. The fact that Bongbong/ Imee can run and be in power speaks to how effective historical revisionism is . Paid hacks like GRP spout out BS with no data backing them whatsoever.

        And his successors should have nothing but GOOD WILL? The fact that how his successors fucked up everything from the last 30 years speaks to how Yellow propaganda is effective during that time because it exposes their failures, instead of manning up they just put blame on one tainted surname just to coverup their failures. Paid Yellowtard hacks like yourself spout out BS with their only backing is emotional outbursts.

        Oh yeah, next is you’re gonna say that Ilocos Norte is the ‘worst province’ w/o any data to back up whatsoever. You’re just gonna believe with everything Leni Robredo says.

        1. It’s a democracy. You can be a dumb little peabrained sheeeeeple and vote for whoever you want.

          But I know you secretly want BBM to take over. You have a hard-on for a fantasy past that never existed. You want to disregard freedom and hand over all your wealth to one person.

          If you like dictators so much you should do us all a favor and move to Africa. I like my FREEDOM thank you.

          Pinoys are so ungrateful and unappreciative of democracy. You should see the dictatorial utopia that is North Korea.

        2. It’s a democracy. You can be a dumb little peabrained sheeeeeple and vote for whoever you want.

          But I know you secretly want BBM to take over. You have a hard-on for a fantasy past that never existed. You want to disregard freedom and hand over all your wealth to one person.

          If you like dictators so much you should do us all a favor and move to Africa. I like my FREEDOM thank you.

          Pinoys are so ungrateful and unappreciative of democracy. You should see the dictatorial utopia that is North Korea.

          As Mahathir once said, “True democracy comes when we know its limits.” I’m just looking forward for a parliamentary system because it only selects who is the best on the “field”.

          I want BBM not because of his surname or associate anything he did but what he had done in his career as a politician. Since you went on hate-filled tirade what do I expect?

          Again, you let your EMOTIONS get the better of you. You love freedom so much that you began to throw away things like RESPONSIBILITY and DISCIPLINE. You love freedom so much, which you thought of it as ‘doing whatever you want’, that it translates to “I love ANARCHY and CHAOS thank you.”

          Pinoys don’t deserve democracy because things like RESPONSIBILITY and DISCIPLINE are foreign to them. The post-Marcos years is where we allow to elect stupid leaders. Next is you’re gonna say Singapore is a ‘dictatorial utopia’. Get over from this anti-Marcos hate and try to look at the bigger picture.

        3. @Darth A for Aquino:

          Now I want to ask frankly about what kind of ‘freedom’ you’re referring to:

          The freedom to pee and spit on the road?
          The freedom to sell drugs in peace and harmony?
          The right to be drunk and act like crazy in public?
          The freedom to molest your fellow people?

          According to one saying, “We should be a nation of laws and not of men.”

          What resulted after EDSA 1 is a mob rule. Anarchy. Everyone “gained freedom” when the evil dictator left Malacanang. Freedom to do whatever they liked. Instead of peace and order, people held on to their “freedom”. Look at the country now. Poverty, unemployment, squatters, garbage in very street corner, dilapidated public transport, snatchers holdapers, etc. There is your freedom.

          The way I see it, filipinos loved their freedom to violate every rule and order. It is evident from the results. Look at us now. Disrespect to our law and order, disrespect to each other and to ourselves.

          Is THIS the freedom you’re talking about. If it was, then congrats, you’re delusional.

        4. But I know you secretly want BBM to take over. You have a hard-on for a fantasy past that never existed. You want to disregard freedom and hand over all your wealth to one person.

          This is what you get from delusional anti-Marcos blowhorns: pointless assumptions based on pointless hate.

          It’s like you’re saying the windmill farms of Ilocos Norte never existed and it’s a fantasy. And the said province is the first in the Philippines that has ISO 9001:2015 certification doesn’t exist and it’s a fantasy. Nope, they’re all real and it was Bongbong pioneered the former during his term as governor while the latter happened under Imee’s term.

          That reminds me: perhaps the windmill farm of Pililia is a fantasy to you. Nope, it’s all real. I’m in the province of Rizal; I lived in Antipolo and when I visited Pililia a few months ago, I was amazed at this windmill farm, even it’s far away. Anyhow, this is something that I could be proud of.

          Try to let go of your hate because hate and emotional outbursts is just for pea brains. Set your priorities for once.

  8. My family is better off during Marcos days. Both of my parents have decent paying job, and we live in an apartment. But when dictator cory aquino stole Malacanang, we found ourselves in a slum area struggling in our daily lives. I don’t need to look anywhere just know how our economy is doing. I simple look where my family is at. Fast forward 2018, I have good paying job, we don’t live in a slum area anymore. And my company continue to grow after stunting during abnoynoy’s regime.

    punongbayan’s degree in economy is like a dime a dozen. And since, it is UP, it is free! he’s another winnie poop monsod in the making.

    1. Lol. Cory brought back DEMOCRACY to the Philippines. The fact that the Philippine economy is humming along and you were able to get back up to your feet is proof. If Marcos would have stayed in power , the Philippines would have been like NORTH KOREA. Where most of the major companies were state-owned. Marcos bankrupted the Philippines and destroyed the institutions of government. The first true TRAPO.

      You would be bowing down and kissing the feet of the dear leader BONG BONG marcos if not for Edsa. You may not like pnoy. But at least your not starving like in Venezuela. If you like Dictators so much JUST GO MOVE TO AFRICA!

      The folks like benigno and Geiz are like fat incels. They want to suck on the tit of a dictatorial government preaching everyone to be poor and frugal, while eating steak with celebrities.

      1. Lol. Cory brought back DEMOCRACY to the Philippines. The fact that the Philippine economy is humming along and you were able to get back up to your feet is proof. If Marcos would have stayed in power , the Philippines would have been like NORTH KOREA. Where most of the major companies were state-owned. Marcos bankrupted the Philippines and destroyed the institutions of government. The first true TRAPO.

        Seriously? What we have is not true democracy. They turned it into a spectator sport using a mob along with its mentality, and labeled it as ‘people power’. So following simple guidelines, due process and the rule of law is not ‘people power’, eh? That’s why the people are free but stupid.

        You’re totally clueless about the Philippine economy after Marcos left. What you’re presented is not a but a ‘cover up’ in order to make the Philippines even poorer so they can pin the blame on one tainted surname. That’s whiny and petty on your part since you have no idea about that the archaic economic system of our current constitution includes non-progressive policies and it makes even critical smart people to leave the country because they couldn’t do nothing with it.

        Like I said, you hate Marcos so much that you blatantly resort to emotions and assumptions. Yeah, companies like Meralco, Manila Water, and companies with basic necessities are state-owned. When Cory took over then she ‘returned’ these companies to the Lopezes, Ayalas, etc. In Meralco’s case, it became one of the reasons why we have one of the highest electricity rates in Asia. It’s not even petty, because electricity costs EVERYTHING.

        You would be bowing down and kissing the feet of the dear leader BONG BONG marcos if not for Edsa. You may not like pnoy. But at least your not starving like in Venezuela. If you like Dictators so much JUST GO MOVE TO AFRICA!

        Nope, we would be like Singapore as he stated in one of his interviews. Someone like PNoy would be booted out of Singapore’s Parliament if given the chance. You’re also clueless about Venezuela’s food shortages: it’s the result of the late Hugo Chavez’ radical socialist policies. And it seems you never heard of ‘benevolent dictatorship’.

        The folks like benigno and Geiz are like fat incels. They want to suck on the tit of a dictatorial government preaching everyone to be poor and frugal, while eating steak with celebrities.

        And Yellowtard folks like Darth M THE WHORE are like rats and fleas. They want to suck on tits of the Yellow Narrative preaching everyone to do whatever you like and being poorer than ever, while eating steak with celebrities like Kris Aquino, Korina Sanchez, Agot Isidro, Dingdong Dantes, Jim Paredes, etc. Hell, we should even put Jover Laurio and Florin Hilbay on the list.

      2. And about the “rats and fleas” narrative? They’re just sucking the life on everyone that results to decay and a slow death. It’s like the Black Death, but more like it caused the death of intellectualism that people can be easily manipulated on whom to hate and whom to love by just a simple whim. All thanks to the plague known as the Yellow narrative.

        Try again, son.

        1. Boi, you don’t even know what your talking about. Your’e obviously a pea brained troll paid by the marcosses like GRP.

          Voting for BBM is like living in Germany and voting for HITLER’s KIDS OR NEO-NAZI’s. You’re basically the Philippine equivalent of a HOLOCAUST DENIER.

          There is nothing to suggest that marcos would not have turned out like Maduro/Chavez. Lee Kuan Yew was a self-less leader. Marcos , Imelda and BBM only care about money. Just because BBM says it doesnt make it true. Only retards like you believe that.

          Benevolent Dictatorship?!?! What a retarded concept. Wasn’t Chavez a benevolent dictator when he put under his control / expropriated oil companies. LIKE YOUR HERO MARCOS DID BY STEALING COCONUT LANDS.

          I hope BBM wins and imposes Martial Law. I hope he gets to you first. Coz lord knows you deserve a good A-game fisting up your ass.

        2. Boi, you don’t even know what your talking about. Your’e obviously a pea brained troll paid by the marcosses like GRP.

          Voting for BBM is like living in Germany and voting for HITLER’s KIDS OR NEO-NAZI’s. You’re basically the Philippine equivalent of a HOLOCAUST DENIER.

          There is nothing to suggest that marcos would not have turned out like Maduro/Chavez. Lee Kuan Yew was a self-less leader. Marcos , Imelda and BBM only care about money. Just because BBM says it doesnt make it true. Only retards like you believe that.

          Benevolent Dictatorship?!?! What a retarded concept. Wasn’t Chavez a benevolent dictator when he put under his control / expropriated oil companies. LIKE YOUR HERO MARCOS DID BY STEALING COCONUT LANDS.

          I hope BBM wins and imposes Martial Law. I hope he gets to you first. Coz lord knows you deserve a good A-game fisting up your ass.

          Same goes to you. Because you’re too blinded by your blind rage and appeal to the emotions crap that you literally have no idea what you’re taking about. More like an actual pea brained troll paid by the Yellows. How can I be paid since I don’t have money or a stable job to begin with? That’s what you’re good at: baseless assumptions.

          Nope, more like thinking more of the future and moving on, instead of living in the past and trying to correct the past mistakes by just STICKING TO IT, which it proves inefficient and unstable. Nice on putting up the “Holocaust Denier” monicker yet it didn’t stop Germany to move forward as one of the economic superpowers in Europe while we are still a third world country. And what’s next, are you trying to say the the Mendiola Massacre is a fantasy? News flash, it’s not a fantasy as it happened in 1987, a year after EDSA 1.

          Nice assumption of the Marcoses only cared about money. Perhaps you don’t even want to read the late Doy Laurel’s conversation with the dying FM that he wants to give 90% of his wealth to the Filipinos as long as he wants to be buried in his home in Ilocos Norte. And then the stupid Cory Aquino, with all of her fear and hatred against Marcos (which you totally approved of), refused to do so. Oh yeah, you can’t even explain about what he did as a governor of Ilocos Norte as people here trying to point out.

          LKY is a selfless leader yet he simply said that “he preferred to be feared than to be loved.” He even take jabs at a Filipino reporter who asked about his private life and you know what he said? “I’m her to discuss public issues, not personal issues. What does THOSE tell you?

          Singapore IS an example of ‘benevolent dictatorship’. What Hugo Chavez did is backed by socialism. And as far as I’ve known, it was Danding Cojuangco who stole the coconut lands and not Marcos himself. Danding is just a Marcos crony. Now I wanna ask, why isn’t he even in jail when those things happened? Even Cory herself wouldn’t touch Danding because of a “family first” policy. Yep, she’s a Cojuangco. Can you even explain that?

          And if BBM would declare martial law, there should be another ‘First Quarter Storm’ led by the leftist groups and Communist insurgents and there should be another Plaza Miranda bombing, which is impossible nowadays. You’re also clueless about the fact that Manila Times columnist Rigoberto Tiglao is jailed during that time yet he pinned the blame on Joma Sison instead. Come on, the Cold War is over, there’s no need for martial law. Oh yeah, my parents lived during that time and nothing bad happens to them.

          Hate to tell you, but you get a good A-game fisting up your ass this time… through my thoughtful comments. Like every Yellowturd that I encountered, as I expected, you’re grasping on straws, son.

  9. @Benjamin Poindexter

    I hope you’re proud / happy with those tiny tiny windmill farms. Those that dont even generate enough electricity to run a small shopping mall. Because it was paid for with the BILLIONS of GOLD stolen by the Marcoses still hidden in offshore accounts.

    What do you say to the people tortured under Martial Law?!?! Unless they don’t exist too.

    I guess for you HITLER is swell too huh? After all there were a lot of scientific advancements in germany at that time.

    Ilocos Norte has been and remains a ‘nothing there’ province. Any improvements wont move the needle in Philippine economy.

    Your brain is small and so petty.

    1. <I hope you’re proud / happy with those tiny tiny windmill farms. Those that dont even generate enough electricity to run a small shopping mall. Because it was paid for with the BILLIONS of GOLD stolen by the Marcoses still hidden in offshore accounts.

      Yes, and? It’s not even tiny to begin with because it’s a 9 kl stretch from Burgos to Pagudpud. That’s big enough to bring alternative electricity. Citing the “billions of gold stolen by the Marcos” quote shows how clueless about the issue.

      What do you say to the people tortured under Martial Law?!?! Unless they don’t exist too.

      And why don’t you want to ask Ramos and Enrile about people who were tortured under Martial law? Yes, Ramos is the head of the Philippine Constabulary and not to mention that rebels and other insurgents also committed abuses as well.

      I guess for you HITLER is swell too huh? After all there were a lot of scientific advancements in germany at that time.

      You’re the one who says that, not me. You know, there are reasons why name association intellectually bankrupt.

      Ilocos Norte has been and remains a ‘nothing there’ province. Any improvements wont move the needle in Philippine economy.

      Your brain is small and so petty.

      Well, congratulations on exposing yourself. That’s the same line that comes out of Leni Robredo’s mouth. No wonder why anyone here wouldn’t want to take you seriously. Your brain is already smaller and so petty when you make comments like this. Because Only smaller brains and people who are petty would resort to personal attacks and red herring arguments. Pathetic…

    2. However, I want to quote one of your half-truths:

      Ilocos Norte has been and remains a ‘nothing there’ province. Any improvements wont move the needle in Philippine economy.

      La Union became the 2nd province with the ISO 9001:2015 certification last year. Aside from the Pilillia Wind Farm in Rizal, which opened 2 years ago, another one in Mindoro is currently in the works. But as they say, let’s give credit for what is due.

      This senseless hate of yours gets you nothing.

  10. People, we have this comment thread to facilitate civil discussion of viewpoints. @Geiz, one who would not listen will not listen. Let him/her be and let the march of history judge his/her lost cause, and let the readers slug out the issue in their heads.

    What the article says, as I understand it, is a country’s economy is dynamic and transcends a particular administration. Let the thread be about that, instead providing an opportunity for people to grandstand.

    1. @Nickel
      And the downward TREND of the country started with Marcos. DONT FORGET THAT.

      Otherwise you would never learn from history. Freakin fake news trying to change the FACTS. Its basically denying the holocaust!

      Any true discussion must start with FACTS. Otherwise, Lizardmen are holding the Philippines back by adding Estrogen in the water! Thats why people like Geiz is so DUMB!

      1. Nice half-truth you got there. If anything, the downward trend started after 1986, which is after Marcos left. That tells me that you’re utterly clueless about the 1987 Constitution and its non-progressive policies.

        Hate to tell you this, but you’re not trying to be objective when you try to look on history, which I always do. There’s no changing of ‘facts’ but more like adding up to it. Or perhaps you can’t even tell about how history is biased. Putting up the Holocaust denial analogy is dumb because it’s more like a red herring if you ask me.

        Nope, you’re not doing any discussion here. More like hurling labels and insults, including emotional outbursts and half-truths. And those ‘lizardmen’ after 1986 that are holding back the country? You’re the ones who are defending them. I and others explained about Ilocos Norte on being one of the most progressive provinces in the country yet you try to ignore the facts because you let your emotions get the better of you; you try to deny those things because it doesn’t even fit your preferred narrative and/or it hurts your feelings. That’s why closet Yellows like DM (Dakilang Mangongontra) are dumber, putting up exclamation marks like he’s on a tililing rampage.

  11. OUT-OF-TOPIC
    ***How to measure Filipino S2PDT***
    Count viewers and subscribers of The Filipino Channel and others stupid Filipino Channels AND YOU GET THE NUMBER OF STUPID FILIPINOS

    ***Why these Filipino Channels are Stupid***
    1. The canned giggles is clear as day as Stupid
    2. The canned laughters is plain in cloudy day as Stupid
    3. The show is promoting stupidity
    4. I do not see educating about these Filipino channels
    5. Their subject of their conversation is obviously Stupid
    – It must be stupid for my education –

    ***Why Filipinos blast and crank up their TV and Radios?***
    1. Filipinos are hard of hearing?
    2. It is no wonder Filipinos cannot follow instructions because they are hard of hearing
    3. They are deaf because of TV and Radio blasts

    Read this Filipinos AND PLEASE CHANGE SO YOU PEOPLE ARE ACCEPTABLE TO GENERAL POPULATION OF 1STWORLD COUNTRIES !!!

    UNSUBSCRIBE FILIPINO CHANNELS !!! IT IS A WASTE OF TIME … MONEY … AND INTELLECT IF EVER THERE IS …

  12. Numbers Dont Lie but Peoples Power Edsa Power revolution do lie and manipulate the Facts and Figures of the Philippine Economy, Portraying that the real legally elected President Apo Lakay Marcos stole Money from the Philippine Government funds of MADPNOY abnoy kulangkulang99 Priority Development funds of Senatongs and Tongresman who is now sued by the PDU30 to recover the Philippines

    1. People Power EDSA Revolution WAS NOT A REVOLUTION … IT WAS A FAKE REVOLUTION … billed by Filipinos for wanting to have won a REVOLUTION.

      FILIPINOS NEVER WON A REVOLUTON:
      1. 375 years under Spanish colonists to this day by the last remaining colonists and colonizing friars
      2. 50 years under Americans
      3. 5 years under Japanese
      4. Another 5 years by Americans

      *** until Americans gave Filipinos “INDEPENDENCE” in a silver platter ***

      Now that Filipinos are now “RUN LIKE HELL BY FILIPINOS THAN RUN BY AMERICANS LIKE HEAVEN” these Filipinos are looking for a semblance OF WIN !!! And that win is EDSA PEOPLE POWER REVOLUTION … unfortunately for downtrodden oppressed deprived Filipinos IT WAS NOT A REVOLUTION … IT WAS A FAKE REVOLUTION …

      Who exactly were they revolutioning against from? ENRILE-RAMOS-HONASAN Corrupt triumvirate that supported corrupt Marcos OR Marcos Crime Family?

      I JUST DO NOT GET FILIPINOS … WELL … FILIPINOS HAVE VERY LITTLE INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT … WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THEM …

  13. Never again Marcial Bonifacio aka Ninoy Aquino Madbomber of Plaza Miranda/CPP/Npa/founder with communist Joma Sison,who has dumbdowned the Pilipinos for late Santa Corykot lantarang Panloloko at Pangagago sa Kapwa PIlipino.

  14. FILIPINOS NEVER WON A REVOLUTON:
    1. 375 years under Spanish colonists to this day by the last remaining colonists and colonizing friars
    2. 50 years under Americans
    3. 5 years under Japanese
    4. Another 5 years by Americans
    5. Marcial Bonifacio aka Ninoy Aquino Fake HEro of the Philippines who dumbdowned Pilipinos for 35 years of mass media Manipulations.

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