Only by crushing the Yellow disease will the Philippines’ deep wounds be healed

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At no other time has the Philippines been as deeply-divided as it is today. A virtual civil war is being waged on the Net between the “Dutertards” and the “Yellowtards”. Because current President Rodrigo Duterte is from Mindanao — the first president from the Philippines’ deep south, no less — the battle lines between the ‘tards are almost drawn latitudinally pitting North versus South a-la American Civil War. It’s another one of the Philippines’ knockoffs of the history and culture of its former colonial master.

But this geographical division is not equal. This war line does not bisect the Philippines at its centre. Rather, it seems to be drawn just south of Luzon, just a hop south of the border of Metro Manila’s megacity limits. Wait, ok, maybe further down south past the Bicol region’s border perhaps so we take into account the yellow-hued bailiwick of “vice president” Leni Robredo. One can argue, a second line also bisects Luzon, with a latitudinal line drawn just north of Metro Manila, separating the “Solid North” that constitutes the bailiwick of the Marcoses.

This is a “digital civil war” that seems to have isolated Imperial Manila’s political influence past its northern and southern frontiers. The liberal-leaning “Yellowtards” who are mostly the latte-sipping iPad-tapping social media warriors they fancy themselves to be owe their current besieged situation to their leaders in the Liberal Party who had spent the better part of the last 30 years constantly reminding Filipinos that the “in” folks wear yellow pins on their shirts and “all the rest” wear a variety of other colours.

The old traditional notions of polarisation — the “haves” and “have-nots” — is now obsolete, replaced by the Yellows and the All-the-Rests. Duterte was, as it had turned out, the long-awaited leader of the All-the-Rests — the guy who finally united all the non-yellow-wearing peoples of the Philippines. In all ironies, the unifying artefact has always been there — the national colours.

Of course, colours and identifying to one prefix to “tard” or the other is one thing. What is really needed to bridge — and ultimately heal — the uncrossable gulfs between circles, cliques, and camps in Philippine society is to crush the disease that created these wounds to begin with. People who identify with colours other than the Philippines’ national colours are what constitutes today’s national cancer. Crushing the pseudo-ideology that underpins the “Yellow” camp is the first step. It needs to be stamped out from the national consciousness — so that rationality, common sense, and strength in conviction can once again take its prominent position in the national psyche.

But the more important step of all — one that would sustain a national strength bourne of true “unity” — is to create substance underneath our notions of nationhood. Unless the Philippines can be clear on what it stands for as a nation, there can be no strong nor better Philippines — only the shell of a state we see and experience today.

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145 Comments on “Only by crushing the Yellow disease will the Philippines’ deep wounds be healed”

  1. Just like yellow pus, it has to be completely removed before the wound can heal.

    If Duterte finally locks up DeLima, he must not stop there. We have to go and get them all. All the other yellow swines should be clobbered into the ground, including the top dog Aquino.

    Take the antibiotics for as long as prescribed and don’t stop taking them early.

    The bacterial infection has to be eradicated completely, otherwise the bacteria will become immune and come back even worst.

    1. What about the rst of the thieving politicians? THE Binay’s,Estrada’s,Enrile’s,Arroyo’s,Cayetano’s,Romualdo’s etc etc…? They are thieves, to target one faction is to do what Aquino did six years ago,and what happened to E-Crap six years before that. Every ADMINISTRATION takes turns pointing the finger and accusations at the former ADMIN. BUT GUESS WHAT? NO ONE EVER GOES TO JAIL, NO MONEY IS EVER TAKEN BACK.

      You would think that a nation of people could see a pattern,yes? BUT NO, Failipino’s fall for the same shit time after time after time.ISN’T THE FACT THAT E-CRAP (NEVERMIND GMA AND HER HELICOPTER SALESMAN HUSBAND), WHO WAS FACING SUCH SERIOUS CHARGES AS CALLED FOR A FIRING SQUAD, IS NOW THE MAYOR OF MANILA ENOUGH TO SHOW FAILIPINO’s THAT THE ENTIRE POLITICAL CLASS IS LAUGHING AT THEM AND AT THE SAME TIME ROBBING THEM BLIND? IDC WHAT THEIR LAST NAMES ARE, IF IT COMES FROM AN ESTABLISHED FILIPINO POLITICAL FAMILY, THEY ARE THIEVES AND DESERVE THE FUCKIN NOOSE, BUT ONLY….AFTER THE WRACK !

      1. @THE RETURN OF GERRY. It’s the same pack of wolves (political dynasties), wearing different sheep’s clothing (political parties), that are devouring this entire nation. As long as the population remains oblivious to that fact, and keep buying the same bullshit being rolled downhill, the entire country will forever remain a shithole.

        1. @ Dqvid, Yes, you are correct !!! You would think that after 55+ years of the same Bull-Shit stories from the same families, that Filipino’s would wake the fuck up already ad figure it out, you know..catch on to it ! BUT NO, the Filipino’s remain dumb as a box-of-rocks or a lump-of-shit, take your pick.It really is quite amazing that they, as a nation of people, can not figure it out.

      2. Priority is to reduce heinous crimes encouraged though drugs (which grew even worst under AbNoy’s admin). But, the LP only sees the world as means for political (and personal) gain—-at least, perpetuate their comfy lifestyles.

        If you have angst against GMA, LP approach is the worst way to deal with it.

        Because the LP used its media connections to ‘air smelly laundry’ out to the international community, negative international perception seems to have impacted us negatively—— the peso is devalued even more against the dollar.

        De Lima & cohorts would never have second thoughts about dragging down the rest of the country with them. Her devotion to the law and to public service only goes as far as her personal gain allows. Never have I seen a political party, such as the LP, indulge its narcissism so much.

        1. ^*sigh* Here we go again…

          Or perhaps you’re fine with the Aquinos and their personal cronies ruling the country. You just want the status quo to remain and that’s it.

        2. It doesn’t matter who rules the Philippines–Marcos, Aquino, Duterte or Mickey Mouse–the same bullshit of “crookery” and “thievery” will continue because politics is a big money-making scheme in the Philippines; and these politicians are all in it together.

          If they weren’t in it for the money, and the power it will buy, then these Filipino politicians will be doing something else outside of politics. Man, the Filipino mind is always in the clouds and dreaming of a “pie in sky,” that they forget they’re still here on earth.

  2. IT OS CALLED : DIVIDE AND CONQUER, AND FILIPINO’s FALL FOR IT EVERY TIME.

    LISTEN MORON’s, THERE IS ONLY ONE ENEMY: THE POLITICIANS AND THE OLIGARCHS THEY SERVE. ONCE YOU FIGURE THAT OUT, The rest should be easy.

    1. @THE RETURN OF GERRY. These Filipinos will never get it no matter how you explain it to them. They’re stuck on a “Color War” of the Yellow against every other colors. Taking a side is the only way these Filipinos can justify and blame others, other than themselves, for the miserable condition their country is in. And if you have enough people blaming one another for each other’s mistakes, then you have the definition of a true “Filipino”: proud and blameless.

  3. Region 6 and Negros Region would be analogous to those “divided states” such as Maryland, which, nominally Union, a large percentage are also Confederate (brother fought brother in these states, literally). I say this because Negros and Panay appear to be Roxas-yellow bailiwicks and yet, a large number still sided with Mindanao.

      1. The comparison is valid. In Maryland 150 years ago, there were slaves working in plantations. In Negros and Panay today, there are slaves working in plantations. The comparison is valid.

  4. Well, now that the lawyer of Sebastian says that his client will reveal all and everything to Duterte, it looks like I will get my wish soon.

  5. Tama ka Sir Benigno, Salot sa Bayan ang Dilawan na dapat Puksain hangang sa pinaka ugat. Nuke them if need be para tapusin yung naumpisahan na sana noon ni Pres Marcos.

  6. We are now on the cross road of doing what is right, or just allow the old political YellowTard consciousness to continue on us …

    We were all unaware that the Shabu Drug problem was a serious problem, in our country. That the Chinese Triad Drug Mafia crime syndicate was getting a good foot hold in our country.

    That De Lima, the Justice Secretary was using Sex to control the criminal Drug Lords in the Bilibid Prison. That Aquino, De Lima and their cahoots were profiting tremendously, on this Shabu Drug proliferation !

    That Aquino, Mar Roxas, Porky Drilon, Leni Robredo, Trillanes, Hontiveros,. etc…have already compromised our country to the Drug Lords.

    Our country is now a NARCO Republic; courtesy of these YellowTards; courtesy of these NARCO Politician. This NARCO problem is Aquino’s legacy to our country…history will look on these days…those who fought against these NARCO politicians…those who favored them !

    Choose wisely…Choose where you stand !

    1. @ HT, I’ll tell you where you stand, GO STAND IN TRAFFIC ON EDSA, and that is where you will be. The politicians have the country in such a confused state that people actually believe that because one of the politicians has decided to murder 4,00 street level drug dealers & addicts (and left the real criminals to plunder the country) that somehow things are changing. UN-FUCKIN-BELIEVABLE !!! the only thing that has changed is the constitution has been thrown under the bus.

    1. @Bluefad. “Kill all yellowtards burn them all.”

      The only part I agree on is the “Burn them all.” Burn all the colors (yellowtards and non-yellowtards because they’re all thieves and crooks) and start over. This is the only way to clean up this country.

  7. if we look back within the Philippine’s history starting 1957 to present, it’s all about hacienda luisita. nobody could solved these mess to the Philippine’s progress except the pilipino people themselves like what they did at the edsa1 uprising supporting the yellows. they’re good (yellows) spin doctors we can see it now everywhere. the DAP-PDAP made many crimes for them to turn back to. how many low ranking yellow allies mayors congressman governors been charged of plunder? it’s a clear ‘i give you money, you take the knife for me’ …like matobato. to whom should the pilipinos support now? America will never leave, they will interfere alongside the wish of the people. this is a war still between marcos and ninoy on its 2nd generation. it’s all because of hacienda luisita.

    1. @ A YT, NO, its not. It only aopears that way. IF it were a battle between the Marcos Family and the Aquino family, there would be dead people on both sides.It is called a fake enemy. The ‘Boogey-Man’ charade, so people remain divided and therefore easily manipulated.
      Case in point: The famous:”Ypu are an Aquino and I am a Romauldez..”…was a ruse so as to make the ‘MASSA’ think the government’s slow response to the typhoon victim was a divided leadership issue. BUT IT WAS NOT, it was really the Political Dynasties telling the ‘MASSA’ “We are the owner’s of this country and we are not spending any of OUR money to rescue you,you lowly scumabgs, so go drown yourselves.”. AND ,OF COURSE, Filipino’s bought the whole BULLSHIT STORY Hook,LINE and SINKER.YEP, fuckin idiots.
      Wake up !!! There are only two sides: RICH VS. POOR, not Marcos vs. Aquino. Wanna guess who is winning?

  8. ‘Crushing the Yellow disease’ reminds me of the demonization of the jews or the persecution of religious minorities. The message impresses the image of an ethnic-cleansing-like-process that meant to purify the country.

    Very, very frightening. 😰 😰 😰

  9. One God, many faces.
    One family, many races.
    One truth, many paths.
    One heart, many complexions.
    One light, many reflections.
    One world, many imperfections.
    ONE.
    We are all one,
    But many.

  10. All is quiet on the Get Real Philippines front. I hope allFilipinos are giving everything that we’re shared in the last few posts some serious thoughts, on what they’ve been doing wrong in the past, and what needs to be done to set things right in the future.

    That the problem with the Philippines cannot solely be attributed to certain political parties, government officials, and so on. Instead the fault lies in the misguided ways Filipino think and live their lives, that destroy their society and their people, and deprive them of any any chance of ever becoming a nation with a future.

    1. “…the fault lies in the misguided ways Filipino think and live their lives, that destroy their society and their people, and deprive them of any any chance of ever becoming a nation with a future.”

      Is that point of view comes from a foreigner or a Filipino? And what specific standard, if there is any, the view was based or culled from that shows how and why Filipinos don’t seem to find a way to stop “destroying their society”?

      1. @gnogid. Does it really matter whether that personal observation came from a foreigner or Filipino? I’ve made a call of what I’ve seen and experienced in that country that any sane person—Filipinos or not–would have made after having live there for an “x” amount of years.

        There no need for “specific standards” (I don’t even know if one exist anyway) except to base or cull my conclusion from my own personal experience, having dealt with Filipinos from all walks of life, and using a little common sense, that the ongoing problems of the Filipino people is primarily their own undoing—from the way they think and live their lives; and, unless they change those two things I’ve mentioned about themselves, they are going to continue to destroy their own country.

        No one else is going to do it for them.

        1. @gnogid. Does it really matter whether that personal observation came from a foreigner or Filipino? – David

          It matters when we don’t see each other eye to eye. What do you care? What benefit will you get if we improve? What’s at stake for you? Who knows I could be talking to one KKK buddy of former Pres. Aquino if the view is critical of Duterte? Or I could be talking with one of the DDS if the view is pro-Duterte. Worse, maybe I’m engaging a member of the Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party who, because of unfavorable court decision against them, are now infiltrating blogs like this to sow havoc and confusion.

          Not everything matter I agree but when you start to conceal something that’s where all things matter.

          For whatever reason you chose to hide and withhold, I can also do the same and more. 😮

        2. @gnogid. It matters when we don’t see each other eye to eye. What do you care? What benefit will you get if we improve? What’s at stake for you?”

          You should be answering those questions yourself since you’re so well-versed on the who will, or won’t, benefit from making the changes I’m proposing. Go ahead, let’s hear your point-of-view; or, are you going to dodge this one, too, and throw it back to me. You probably noticed I’m holding the proverbial “Medusa Mirror” in front of you and watching you slowly turn to stone.

    2. What you say is in the very DNA of Get Real Philippines as I wrote back in 2001 here

      The first step in the right direction is to swallow the bitter pill and take a good look at ourselves. That’s us! Non-partisan, nothing personal. It’s all in the culture…

      Get to know us first before you fancy yourself an expert on what GRP stands for.

        1. @Dick S. Rosary. What does it matter whether I did background reading or not? (In which case I have on the history of slavery in America and the history of the Philippines). Will it change the fact that you’re comparing apples and oranges of both countries, and that the Philippines is being destroyed by its own people?

        2. @David Lol. Backreading is internet slang for reading previous posts in a forum thread or blog.

          And as regards to my comparison of Maryland, I suggest you “backread” the article I was commenting on. It was comparing what is going on to the American civil war. My comment was on point and yours isn’t.

        3. One just needs to read and read carefully but not read too much into something so as not to grossly misinterpret and, as a result, issue a flawed response to the other party in an online exchange.

        4. @Dick S. O’Rosary. Can fault anybody for referring to “backreading” from my era that is different from yours. And what exactly are you on point about that I’m not? Is this it?

          “In Maryland 150 years ago, there were slaves working in plantations. In Negros and Panay today, there are slaves working in plantations.”

          If this the comparison you’re making–and the one I was referring to when I said you’re making a “senseless comparison”–then I wouldn’t be too quick to say that you have a point and I don’t, because there is no comparison.

        5. @David. The slavery issue I mentioned is sarcasm and snark directed to you because you were so off point that I could not be bothered to point it out to you.

          I only drew the Maryland-West Visayas analogy to further add to the analogy first suggested by the author when he made the American Civil War analogy to the Philippines today. I cant believe I bothered to point that out when that shouldnt have been necessary. Really, you should work on your context analysis skills. Dare I say that this is something Phil. media should work on as well???

        6. @ Dick@ “Your context analysis skills”, WHAT? More like mind-reading skills if you expect anyone to get the link you allegedly meant to imply.
          To further clarify the ridiculous nature of the original comparison, the ‘SLAVES’ in Maryland,USA of the 1800’s were dragged across a continent,and an ocean in horrid conditions(in chains), sold in a market like cattle, and forced to work as someone’s property or get killed(Hung from a tree,as strange fruit).The Philippines of the last 30 years does nothing of the sort and THERE IS NO COMPARISON.
          SO EXACTLY WHAT COMPARISON ARE YOU SPEAKING OF,DICK?

          WHAT?

        7. @David.

          The slavery issue I mentioned is sarcasm and snark directed to you because you were so off point that I could not be bothered to point it out to you.

          Work on your reading comprehension skills as well.

          I was serious about comparing certain parts of the country to Maryland. Being an Ilonggo, my kasimanwa were torn between Duterte and Roxas, in much the same way the Marylanders were torn whether they would support the Union or the Confederacy. Indeed, the debate was intense there, I wouldn’t be surprised if actual fighting would have taken place. Western Visayas benefitted greatly from the Yellow years of 2010-2016, so one wouldn’t be surprised if there were really people with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Please work on your context analysis skills. Really, I shouldn’t have to point this out to you.

        8. @Dick S. O’Rosary. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Slavery was one of the reasons for the Civil War, because of its economic impact, and was settled after it was over.

          This fiasco in the “Western Visayas” has been going on for generations, with no end in sight, because the issue is based on the wide disparity between religion, tradition, culture, and socio-economic strife among political dynasties.

          You’re the one that needs to work on your “comparison analysis” skills because you’re referencing someone, or something, that has made a blunder of making a totally unparalleled comparison between what happened in the American Civil War to what’s still going on in the Western Visayas.

        9. @Gerry

          This applies to you as well.

          The slavery issue I mentioned is sarcasm and snark directed to you because you were so off point that I could not be bothered to point it out to you.

          Good to see you getting riled up.

        10. @David,

          If your reading comprehension skills are so good, how come you are still missing the point?

          Did you even read the article? Please refer to this quote from the article:

          But this geographical division is not equal. This war line does not bisect the Philippines at its centre. Rather, it seems to be drawn just south of Luzon, just a hop south of the border of Metro Manila’s megacity limits. Wait, ok, maybe further down south past the Bicol region’s border perhaps so we take into account the yellow-hued bailiwick of “vice president” Leni Robredo. One can argue, a second line also bisects Luzon, with a latitudinal line drawn just north of Metro Manila, separating the “Solid North” that constitutes the bailiwick of the Marcoses.
          This is a “digital civil war” that seems to have isolated Imperial Manila’s political influence past its northern and southern frontiers. The liberal-leaning “Yellowtards” who are mostly the latte-sipping iPad-tapping social media warriors they fancy themselves to be owe their current besieged situation to their leaders in the Liberal Party who had spent the better part of the last 30 years constantly reminding Filipinos that the “in” folks wear yellow pins on their shirts and “all the rest” wear a variety of other colours.

          Now compare it to what I said about Maryland/Western Visayas.

        11. @Dick S. O’Rosary. I still failed to see your futile attempt at comparison. Filipinos are so notorious for comparing their petty social issues to this world’s great wars and tragedies, as if their people’s ongoing strife matters on a global scale to warrant in-depth studies and required reading in classroom history books.

          The American Civil War cost an estimated 620,000 soldiers’ lives, and countless civilians casualties, and almost destroyed an entire nation.

          If the Confederate states won the Civil War, then you’re really going to have a slavery issue in your hands with Filipinos being hauled to the U.S. by the shipload to work the cotton fields with the American Negros.

        12. @David, if you don’t accept my comparison, it’s because you don’t accept the main article (or didn’t read it). If you take exception to the main article, challenge it, but don’t call comments alluding to it “useless comparisons” because, at the end of the day, you are off point.

        13. @Dick S. O’Rosary. It is what it is. I’ll stick to my guns of what I believe is a “senseless comparison” of the American Civil War and what’s been going on in the Western Visayas.

          You’re going to stick to yours to save face; in spite of the fact that I’ve already explained to you why I take “exception” to the author’s poor attempt at comparison in his article that you’ve referenced.

          So whoever has a point between us doesn’t matter at this point. Neither one of us is going to surrender his guns anyway. Therefore, the point is moot.

        14. @David. Of course I’m going to stick to my guns. You are at fault. If you don’t think the author’s civil war comparison isn’t valid, you shouldn’t have done it through me as I am left wondering whatever it was you were talking about instead of being able to answer you directly.

          And for the record. The civil war comparison is very valid. Forget the issue of slavery for a moment, you seem so obsessed about that. If you boil the conflict down to the very pure sentiments that caused it, you will see that there were two groups that differed as to what they think America should become, how far the government can dictate their lifestyle. We have the very same undertones here, and dare I say that there is a very real potential here for some violence. There are some sectors who want “change” (for lack of a better word), and there is a group that wants things to stay the same. It is the future of the country that is at stake here, as it was in the US when their civil war flared, it was enough to tear apart a people who fought for their freedom together. Will we follow suit? Maybe.

          The Philippines has fought 2 civil wars, one against the Communists, another against the Moros, but these conflicts were never really widespread, nor did it flare the passions of the greater part of the lowland population. Here we have the makings of that, just as it did with the US.

          Which is why I find my West Visayas-Maryland analogy on point. Can you imagine killing your brother in a war? Fighting your neighbors? Your childhood friends? That’s what the Marylanders did. That’s what might happen there. Right now, the fight is just verbal and written, the time may soon come when families and neighbors will come to blows.

          West Visayas is staunchly pro Aquino. In the slums of Manila, West Visayans fought Ilocano slum dwellers in riots at the height of the Cory coup d’etats. Some west visayans have already cast their Yellowness aside, those that retain their yellowness are becoming increasingly rabid (pro-government types are quite rabid to begin with as it is).

          The point is, the people in the US during the civil war had their passions–their hopes and dreams–stirred to the point of war. Our passions, our hopes and dreams are being stirred right now. A lot of people voted for this current Administration on the promise of a crackdown on crime, an independent foreign policy, Federalism, a more responsive government. By god, we will not let the other groups stop him till he gets AN HONEST SHOT (emphasis supplied) at it.

      1. @BenignoO. Who said I fancied myself as an expert on what Get Real Philippines stand for? All I’m pointing out are the obvious on the content that you, and other GRP writers, write about: you despise one political party and favor the other. Anyone who reads the articles on this site will probably come up with the same conclusion.

        1. David,
          I share the same observation but that’s who and what they are here. They owned this space and they have the right to say what they want say. You, we, are allowed to participate in the discussion and say our piece under an unwritten rule that so long as WE don’t personally insult, attack or disrespect we continue the free ride.

          I disagree on what most posters say and put up here and even hounded by one lunatic who calls everyone ‘tards who happened to disagree with him. But that’s how things run here. That’s how I’m pulled to write here. I don’t want to post in a space where I agree with everybody. I want action.

          Yes, we are in a constant watch if we’re going to be taken out or not. You don’t want that insecurity? Go, open your own space and dictate your own whims. It’s that simple. Why stress yourself?

          You have to live with that reality, David. IT’S NOT YOUR OWN. Just be glad for each and every opportunity you have to share your idea every time you put up post.

          That’s the risk you have to take when you enter a place full of people who share the same view. It’s just the nature of the beast so why waste time complaining?

          Finally, they’re not asking if you are a Filipino or not, don’t they? If so, be glad you still have that “privacy” and the right to cowardly avoid such question. 😎

      2. @David: Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that I do “despise” the Liberal Party (if this is, in fact, that “one political party” you refer to).

        Tell me then: What is it about the LP that one can write ‘favourably’ about in a manner that would be compelling enough to convince me to rethink that hatred you assume I harbour?

        1. @BenignO. Geez, I don’t know. You’re the only that can answer your own question of what you think is compelling enough to write favourably of the Liberal Party. You are, afterall, the moderator of this site and author of your own articles. The same goes for the rest of your fellow writers.

          However, as a reader and commenter, I’m only expressing–and I’m certain I share similar sentiments with other readers and commenters–my opinion on the lopsidedness of your site, and its failure to objectively present all the facts on why the Philippines is failing as a nation.

          It’s not all one political party’s fault, regardless of how long it has been in power. I really don’t give a damn about the Liberal Party nor about how great you think the Marcoses were. As far as I’m concerned, these political dynasties–and the oligarchs they represent–are responsible for why your country is in the state it’s in.

          As the moderator, and perhaps the sole owner of this site, you have a big responsibility to the public of being fair and objective on the articles you publish, of maintaining a reputation of not being bias on your political views, and seen as someone who gathers all the facts before coming to his own conclusions.

          Unless you are willing and capable of doing all that, you and your site will continue to be seen in the same light as the Liberal Party and it’s yellow propaganda. Except yours will be of different color.

        2. @David: So there you go. You “don’t know” what one can write ‘favourably’ about certain parties.

          So I’ll tell you what. I’ll keep writing what I WANT to write and you just keep expressing what you think you know. Maybe in due course you will come to know something about the LP that you can put a “favourable” spin on.

        3. @benignO. I suspect a few things about you; but, for the sake of not getting ourselves into a verbal tirade and I end up getting deleted from your site, I will leave the “torch” in your hand to do what you think is right. I don’t have much of a choice on the matter except express my disagreement with what you and the other GRP writers say. I hope that’s alright with you. I will do my best to be sportsmanlike on our exchange if you will do the same.

        4. @benigno. I never realized I’d left the “sensible path,” unless you’re talking about leaving my path and treading yours. That, of course, I’m not prepared to do because it would mean picking a side, which I am not willing to do. Perhaps someone like gnogid, and his or her “chameleon-like” style, would be a more likely candidate to walk the “sensible path” that you’re talking about.

          Plus, Get Real Philippines wouldn’t be that interesting of a read if you didn’t have guys like me, marius, or THE RETURN OF GERRY to stir things up, and add different perspectives to the almost uniformed points of view on your site. Just a personal observation; so please don’t take it personally.

        5. @David: You read too much into it. All I meant by that was in reference to what you said — that you will accept your role here as a commentor who is free to agree or disagree with the authors in a sportsmanlike way.

          That’s what I meant in the term “the sensible path”.

        6. @BenignO. Then it’s clear. I will accept my “role here as a commentor who is free to agree or disagree with the authors in a ‘sportsmanlike’ way,” which is what you really meant by “the sensible path.”

          Well thank you for pointing that out. I never would have figured out what you’re trying to say if I didn’t “read too much into it” and said the exact same thing we’re both agreeing on.

        7. @David: You’re welcome. Perhaps, next time, read carefully but not too much into what is written for your consumption. It’s a tricky balance.

        8. @BenignO. I was being facetious with what I said, that even a careful reader would have been able to pick right up. But when you make a statement like,

          “Good to see you see that you’ve decided to tread the sensible path.”

          It requires clarification on what you mean by “sensible path,” as if I’m not already doing that. That’s all.

    3. gnogid: the standard is right in front of your eyes. If you perform some action X and experience an unpleasant outcome Y as a direct result, is action X good or bad?

      – If I elect a thief as a local mayor, and observe that he steals all the public funds, what can I learn from this?

      – If I throw trash everywhere and observe that it blocks the storm drains, what can I learn from this?

      – If I eat garbage and observe that I develop metabolic disorders, what can I learn from this?

      – If I go through life treating other people and animals with cruelty, abuse, and manipulation; if I lie to people, and use them for my personal gain; if I refuse to consider anybody’s feelings except my own; and if I then find that I am poor and miserable and excluded, what can I learn from this?

      How is it that Filipinos are completely unable to perform these simple tests?

      Incidentally, I’m interested to see that you divide the world into “Filipinos” and “everybody else”. Has it not occurred to you that there might be a wide range of views across the surface of this planet, and that “foreigner” is not a nationality?

      1. I get what you are saying because it’s really NOT NEW anymore. The Filipinos are to blame for what has happened and will happen to them. Very clear. In fact, people from all sides/parties have given they two-cents about what’s wrong with the country & people and why they are to blame. They did the scrutiny and criticisms with the mixture of their respective biases and lenses of prejudice as well as sense of neutrality.

        I just want to know the background of the person expressing the view to find out where he/she is coming from. You know, sometimes, a foreigner/outsider has a different appreciation of what’s happening inside. If the person is a Filipino, at least, the route will be less stressful in case I decide to engage him/her, and to also choose the kind of approach I’m going to take. In other words, I want to get a glimpse, if you may, of the person criticizing or attacking.

        Now, since it is really an OLD SONG (meaning I debated, argued and explained about it numerous times in various blogs, forum, etc., and won and lost at various times), can anyone of you who are singing an ANCIENT SONG introduce something new on the lyrics by advancing what you think should be done to change the situation.

        What concrete idea do you have you think Filipinos will benefit because once they’ve known and realize it they will immediately embrace such idea with gusto? What do you have to address the problem? A theory? A magic wand? What?

        Lastly, fair play dictates that you should be on equal footing with other players/posters. I’m a Filipino and I’m not ashamed of it. What’s there to be ashamed of in your part?

        1. can anyone of you who are singing an ANCIENT SONG introduce something new on the lyrics by advancing what you think should be done to change the situation.

          Challenge accepted.

          1) Face up to the fact that this generation of Filipinos is doomed. They have no real chance of redemption. Adults rarely change their ways.

          Instead, focus on giving your children the tools to fix the mess that you and your compatriots created. This is relatively simple. Young people are good at doing things that need to be done, quickly.

          2) Refuse to send your children to (public) school. This is where their heads are filled with all kinds of nationalistic nonsense and misinformation. Instead, teach them how to learn things. If you do not know how to do this, seek advice from people who do. There are plenty of books on the subject of “how to learn things”. It’s possible one of them is available in Tagalog.

          3) Today’s children have the entire knowledge of the planet laid open to them on the internet … and all they do is play around on Facebook. Teach them to use this powerful tool wisely. Make sure your child reads something new – something not published in the Philippines – for at least an hour a day.

          4) Feed your children proper food. Never, ever buy milk formula for infants. It’s a waste of money, and it’s nutritionally-deficient. It will stunt their brains and their bodies, for life. Nobody in first-world countries buys this (except, funnily enough, the poor).

          Stop eating rice and sugar and packaged snacks, and eat more fresh vegetables, meat, eggs, and suchlike. If you can’t afford them, raise them yourself. You can provide 50% of a family’s needs from 2000-3000m2 of land, and 70% of the population have access to this, or could acquire it if they really wanted to (~20,000 pesos for untitled land). Crops like jute or alugbati or camote grow easily, even on poor land. Pigs and goats and chickens can improve poor land, and can be eaten. Learn how to manage these resources properly, instead of just neglecting them and hoping for the best.

          The stuff on the shelves of the supermarket, or the sari-sari store, is 90% garbage that will make you ill and stupid.

          5) Throw your TV in the trash. Don’t read newspapers. Don’t listen to what politicians tell you. They are all lying. All of them.

          6) Find ways to starve the government of funds, and therefore of the manpower that is destroying the country. Employ yourself in such a way that you can live and prosper, but handle government money as little as possible. Money circulating back to the government via taxes is what keeps them in business.

          7) Get together with your neighbors and foreigners who wish the country well. Organise services that the government consistently fails to deliver: schools; security; transport services; power and water. Make sure standards are higher than government standards (not difficult). Do not, under any circumstances, seek permission from authorities. They will shut you down, or at least swamp you with expensive and time-wasting activities.

          If you do this, you will have a modest but comfortable life. Your children, on the other hand, will change the world.

          I’m a Filipino and I’m not ashamed of it.

          Why should anyone be ashamed of (or proud of) an accident of birth and geographical circumstance? The geopolitical appellation “Filipino” didn’t even exist until comparatively recently. You can be ashamed or proud of the person you ARE, and that’s ultimately under your own control.

        2. Oh, I forgot the most important one:

          8) Stay away from churches and priests.

          If you are of a religious frame of mind, read the Bible (or the Quran, or whatever text takes your fancy).

          Learn how to respect God’s creation, and treat it with reverence. If you destroy and pollute your environment, and mistreat people and animals, God/Nature will punish you swiftly and consistently.

        3. ‘Challenge accepted” and then all you did was recite a litany of guesses, surmises and just plain wishes? It was very clear in your post that you don’t have anything to back up what you’re saying. Where’s the proof that the idea you are espousing have been tried before and proved to be a success? Nada. Zero.

          Like I said, you should not be ashamed of yourself. If you are a Filipino, admit it. If you want to do a Trump (who refuses to show his tax returns) and conceal a part of your self, you’ll forever talk to your own self when it comes to issues.

          So, I’ll be holding back but I will see to it to throw some bones in your direction just to make sure I’m not completely ignoring you.

          You show a list of your lecture and told me to follow it and be like it. Well, it’s not gonna happen. Insults never solve problems. That is the reason why I always start my premise in inquiring as to the mental condition of the party I’m responding with and to know what his/her objectives are.

          Finally, Let me quote the great Cebuano philosopher Hyden Toro about people like you who want to make a world of difference.

          Sa nangagi, akong gibasa ang mga sugyot ug mga rekomendasyon nga gisulat sa mga amang nga mga magsusulat nga hallucinates nga sila maayo sila makahimo sa pag-usab sa kalibutan. Bisan imo walay lain-laing nga ako mabati sa paagi sa pagpahayag sa imong kaugalingon nga ikaw dili tinuod nga hallucinate. Kamo mao ang mga lang patag buang. – H. T.

          😄

        4. Where’s the proof that the idea you are espousing have been tried before and proved to be a success? Nada. Zero.

          Seriously? I mean, like, really? Educating yourself and feeding yourself properly has never been of any positive benefit, in the entire history of the human race?

          What I take away from your reply, gnogid, is this: oh, we just can’t be bothered. It’s all just too much like hard work. And it probably won’t work anyway. So we’re just going to sit here and do nothing.

          Spoken like a true Filipino! Well done! Pat yourself on the back and should “Pinoy pride!”.

          Like I said, you should not be ashamed of yourself. If you are a Filipino, admit it. If you want to do a Trump (who refuses to show his tax returns) and conceal a part of your self, you’ll forever talk to your own self when it comes to issues.

          Aaaaand then there we go with ad hominems again, because you don’t have any rational response.

          Put it this way, gnogid: I’m pretty confident I’m a LOT more successful in life than you are. Why? Because I apply that list to my own life. I’m not throwing out random advice that I don’t follow.

          Insults never solve problems.

          Give me ONE instance of an insult from my list. Just one.

          I guess Filipinos can find an insult in pretty much anything if they look hard enough, right?

        5. Seriously? I mean, like, really? Educating yourself and feeding yourself properly has never been of any positive benefit, in the entire history of the human race? – marius

          Yes, seriously, really! Name a country/people you attacked and lectured and followed what you told them and became a success. That is what you are saying and doing now and I’m just asking for proof. Anybody can criticize and insult by saying ‘feed and educate yourself’ but not everybody can show proof that they’ve applied it in reality and got the expected result.

          I did not find anything to disagree with what you said. And who will disagree on motherhood statements?

          Who will dispute the reminder that you must wash your hands before eating with your bare hands? Don’t pick your nose while masturbating; don’t gossip in front of the mirror; respect your elders, especially the rich ones; love the country whatever country your are in at the moment; be nice if you are in the mood; love thy neighbor’s wife if she’s a widow; love one another that you like, etc.

          Those are universal statements that everybody understand. Feel good platitude that we all subscribe to. I’m with you on that. 👲

          What I take away from your reply, gnogid, is this: oh, we just can’t be bothered. It’s all just too much like hard work. And it probably won’t work anyway. So we’re just going to sit here and do nothing.

          Wrong. What I’m saying was who the hell are you to say that? Have you been a president of a country or a professional consultant whose expertise is to go inside a country and make reforms and changes and straighten up people by attacking, insulting and lecturing them on how things should be done?

          I mean, I appreciate assistance or advice but I also have the right to know who is rendering assistance or giving advice. Are we on the same page as to economic or social status. Do you live in Corinthian Garden or Smokey Mountain? Are you in Syria or Australia? Are you a Japanese-American, Filipino-American or American Junk? We have to settle those things first before you lecture us on what to do with our lives.👶

        6. Anybody can criticize and insult by saying ‘feed and educate yourself’ but not everybody can show proof that they’ve applied it in reality and got the expected result.

          See, gnogid, this is exactly why I wrote in my list that one of the critical things a Filipino can do is get out there on the Internet and read something. Although you dismiss this as “obvious”, you are apparently incapable of Googling “nutrition and brain development”.

          To be honest, I don’t think you really are this stupid or lazy. I think you’re doing what every Filipino does when faced with something that challenges his messed-up worldview: you look blank and stonewall. You pretend to be dumber than you really are. This effectively shuts down any debate, and you’ve “won”.

          On that subject, it took me a while to realise that stonewalling and gaslighting is the go-to solution for Filipinos because it works. Confuse and irritate your opponent for long enough, and he’ll just give up in despair and give you anything you want. Filipinos think this is proof that they are smart.

          I did not find anything to disagree with what you said.[/quote]
          If you don’t disagree with me, how is it that Filipinos do none of the things on my list?

          And who will disagree on motherhood statements?

          Filipinos, apparently. The Philippines is one of the world’s biggest markets for baby formula and junk food.

          I appreciate assistance or advice but I also have the right to know who is rendering assistance or giving advice.

          Fine. In real life I’m a development economist with the UN. Feel better now?

          Fact is, Filipinos are taught at school to dismiss anything that might make their lives better. Only the church and the government can be trusted. Everyone else is just out to get you.

          Anyway, well done, gnogid. You win. My solutions are indeed worthless for Filipinos. As I said in rule #1: Filipinos – adult Filipinos – don’t actually want things to get better. They are doomed. You just proved my point.

        7. Fine. In real life I’m a development economist with the UN. Feel better now? – marius

          No. Why will I feel better when I sensed that you seem to be unbalanced. A development economist who is supposed to be talking about economic aspects in low-income countries talking shit here? Doesn’t make sense. I remember you talking down on low i.q. Filipinos and expressing hopelessness about them. I don’t feel better, in fact, I’m shaken by your revelation.

          Fact is, Filipinos are taught at school to dismiss anything that might make their lives better. Only the church and the government can be trusted. Everyone else is just out to get you.

          Anyway, well done, gnogid. You win. My solutions are indeed worthless for Filipinos. As I said in rule #1: Filipinos – adult Filipinos – don’t actually want things to get better. They are doomed. You just proved my point.

          See what I’m saying about you? It has nothing to do with the economic aspect of the development process in the country. It’s all about you seeing all the wrong things about the Filipinos. And to make sure we hear you, you crossover from offering advice to simply disparage us.

          Very nice of you Mr. UN. 👺

        8. Good call, @Marius.

          At #1,

          Give time to your children. Don’t call them dumb. Don’t make them look stupid in front of other people. Teach, don’t bully. Some of the parents I know are themselves the problem.

        9. Gnogid: Let’s try to get back on-track. You asked me for constructive advice. I advised you to allow your children to think, without slapping them down, without force-feeding them (metaphorically) with falsehoods and (literally) with shit, both of which will rot their brains.

          You responded, basically, with “eh di wow!”.

          You think that this advice is, simultaneously:

          – condescending;
          – unlikely to work;
          – obvious.

          So Filipinos cannot and will not do this. It would hurt their pride to even try. Correct?

          I don’t feel better, in fact, I’m shaken by your revelation.

          I was just feeding you irrelevant nonsense, gnogid, as you are doing to me.

          I knew perfectly well that you would respond with dismissal, whatever I said. I could be the president of Kyrgyzstan and you’d still say, “pfft, what do YOU know about our country?”.

          Filipinos ask for credentials for one reason only: so that they can dismiss the entire topic without having to think about it.

          It’s all about you seeing all the wrong things about the Filipinos.

          No, gnogid. It’s all about Filipinos not seeing what’s right there in front of them.

          Here’s a whole bunch of foreigners – not just me – holding the dying, flyblown body of your motherland up before your eyes, saying: “Look! Look at her! You did this! Only you can save her! Please do so before it’s too late!”

          And the Filipino sneers and says: “Who are you to lecture us? Let her die.”

          “We will lose our country, our culture, and probably our lives, but at least we’ll still have our Pride. We’ll always be able to say: we never listened to foreigners who came here to lecture us.”

          And the foreigner recoils in shock and horror. These people are psychopaths. How can they be so full of hate for themselves, their country, and their fellow men?

          So, as I said, you’re quite right. You will refuse to allow your children to think, you will continue to indoctrinate them and fill their heads with nonsense, and the next generation will continue to fail, as surely as yours has.

        10. marius,
          You gave me a headache on this. 😄

          1) Face up to the fact that this generation of Filipinos is doomed. They have no real chance of redemption. Adults rarely change their ways.
          Instead, focus on giving your children the tools to fix the mess that you and your compatriots created.

          If the parents have ‘no real chance of redemption’ how can they properly guide their children?

          2) Refuse to send your children to (public) school. This is where their heads are filled with all kinds of nationalistic nonsense and misinformation. Instead, teach them how to learn things.

          You’re going to tell that to the poor families who send their children in public schools? marius, the gov’t. leaders that are screwing the country mostly do not come from public schools.

          There are plenty of books on the subject of “how to learn things”. It’s possible one of them is available in Tagalog.

          You want a DIY (Do It Yourself) type of education? marius, come on!

          3) Today’s children have the entire knowledge of the planet laid open to them on the internet … and all they do is play around on Facebook. Teach them to use this powerful tool wisely. Make sure your child reads something new – something not published in the Philippines – for at least an hour a day.

          Again, where will the poor be on that kind of theory?

          4) Feed your children proper food. Never, ever buy milk formula for infants. It’s a waste of money, and it’s nutritionally-deficient. It will stunt their brains and their bodies, for life. Nobody in first-world countries buys this (except, funnily enough, the poor).

          Are you talking to the parents here or the gov’t.? How can that be done when the poor cannot even buy a poison?

          5) Throw your TV in the trash. Don’t read newspapers. Don’t listen to what politicians tell you. They are all lying. All of them.

          marius, you serious about that one? I’m sure you’re joking.

          6) Find ways to starve the government of funds, and therefore of the manpower that is destroying the country. Employ yourself in such a way that you can live and prosper, but handle government money as little as possible. Money circulating back to the government via taxes is what keeps them in business.

          Now, where can we get the manual on that?

          7) Get together with your neighbors and foreigners…..

          Err, mairus, the Smokey Mountain neighborhood don’t have no foreigner in the ‘hood. And even if they do, I don’t think foreigner would “get together” with the hoi polloi.
          😎

        11. Come on, gnogid. Stop just making wiseass comments and bring some FACTS or ARGUMENTS to the table. Otherwise, you might as well just say “eh di wow” again and then we all know where we stand.

          If the parents have ‘no real chance of redemption’ how can they properly guide their children?

          I agree, therein lies the problem.

          However, baby steps. No point in attempting the impossible.

          If we can at least convince parents not to sabotage their childrens’ future, that’s the one thing that will do the country the most good, without demanding that Filipinos change themselves to an impossible degree.

          You’re going to tell that to the poor families who send their children in public schools? marius, the gov’t. leaders that are screwing the country mostly do not come from public schools.

          I don’t understand what you’re saying. I’m aware that the elite are privately-educated. The point here is that the public schools are deliberately bad. The masses leave school even dumber than when they went in. That is their purpose.

          Since the poor can’t afford private schools, the only logical alternative is that they encourage their kids to educate themselves. This is not particularly difficult, even for a parent who is (say) illiterate and uneducated themselves. As I said, there are various forms of assistance available for those who choose to look.

          You want a DIY (Do It Yourself) type of education? marius, come on!

          Unless you’ve traveled outside of the Philippines, you may not be aware that this is how it works in every successful country. School (in it’s best form) simply teaches you how to learn. The rest is up to you: 90% of the skills and information in the head of a well-educated 30-year-old was put there by his own efforts.

          Again, where will the poor be on that kind of theory?

          Well, a lot less poor, for starters.

          Let’s say you’re a rice farmer. I wonder how many Filipino rice farmers have read ANYTHING about rice farming? You could spend a couple of hours a day on the internet reading about rice farming and learn all kinds of techniques for improving performance and reducing costs.

          There are lots of lawyers and doctors who retire and move back to the family farm, take over the land, and make it a big success. How do they do this? Is it because they’re rich? Smart? No, it’s because they know what they don’t know, and they set out to learn everything they can about farming.

          The stupid person is the one who thinks he knows everything already.

          Are you talking to the parents here or the gov’t.? How can that be done when the poor cannot even buy a poison?

          I don’t understand what you’re saying here.

          I’m talking to parents in general. Most Filipinos subsist on rice and junk food – horrible hot dogs, crackers, sweets, and fake cheese. They do this partly because the government tells them to (you must have seen those old government ‘diet guidelines’ poster, which would be comedy gold if it didn’t have such tragic results).

          As I said, most Filipinos live in rural areas, and most of those have some land available (rented if not owned). Feeding yourself properly is not difficult.

          The NDAP website is fascinating, because although it contains (mostly) correct science about diet, fat, and metabolic diseases, it completely avoids mentioning the known role of rice and sugar in causing obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and suchlike. It even encourages people to eat them:

          >> Carbohydrates — or “carbs” as commonly called — are good for diabetes.

          The business lobby for these products must be making enormous amounts of money from them.

          marius, you serious about that one? I’m sure you’re joking.

          Please explain, in detail, why not having a TV (and therefore no exposure to brain-rotting shows and propaganda) is somehow a terrible thing.

          the Smokey Mountain neighborhood don’t have no foreigner in the ‘hood. And even if they do, I don’t think foreigner would “get together” with the hoi polloi.

          Then my advice would be: “go somewhere else”. Why ANYBODY lives in Manila is a complete mystery to me. I certainly can’t understand why people with no way to make a living (except begging, stealing, or prostitution) would bother to remain there.

          Look, I didn’t say any of this is easy. But if you have a choice between dying of malnutrition on a garbage heap, or going out to the provinces to raise beans and chickens … well, I know which one I’d choose.

        12. @marius. It’s too late. gnogid’s thin chameleon-like skin of proper decorum is starting to shed. What you’re seeing are layers of sarcasm and cynicism that make up his or her being. It’ll be awhile before a new layer of “sensible” skin replaces the old one. Believe me. I, too, am experience the same idiotic responses from gnogid. Damn, these chameleons are very unpredictable and cannot be trusted on when they will change on you.

        13. “I agree, therein lies the problem.
          However, baby steps. No point in attempting the impossible.
          If we can at least convince parents… – marius”

          No baby steps, not gonna happen. Here’s why

          Adults rarely change their ways. – marius

          Your words not mine. 👀

          “The point here is that the public schools are deliberately bad. The masses leave school even dumber than when they went in. That is their purpose.”

          I don’t know what to make of that paragraph. It simply doesn’t make sense. Public schools are bad. Don’t send your children there. End of story, problem solved. Punyeta! I realized now that we really don’t have a problem!

          “Since the poor can’t afford private schools, the only logical alternative is that they encourage their kids to educate themselves. This is not particularly difficult…..”

          Encourage kids to educate themselves? 😧 So, if you have a 7-year old boy, tell him “bahala ka na sa buhay mo!” (You are on your own!). Is that what you are saying?

          “I wonder how many Filipino rice farmers have read ANYTHING about rice farming? You could spend a couple of hours a day on the internet reading about rice farming and learn all kinds of techniques…..”

          Ordinary rice farmers have not time to “read on the Internet”, marius, they are busy making a living. They’d rather work in the field than worry about how to use and where to find computers!

          Maybe you are talking about farm owners who employ the farmers? You see, there is a difference between the two. Big difference. 👀

          “There are lots of lawyers and doctors who retire and move back to THE FAMILY FARM, take over the land, and make it a big success. How do they do this? IS IT BECAUSE THEY’RE RICH?”

          In my country? Basically, yes, marius. Lawyers and doctors are not really in the same category with the poor.

          Also, you impliedly acknowledged in your statement that they are rich when you mentioned “family farm”. marius, in my country, the poor don’t have no “family farm”.

          “The stupid person is the one who thinks he knows everything already.”

          I have an idea who that could be but I’m not telling. 🙊

          “Feeding yourself properly is not difficult.”

          Don’t know, I have to ask the “pagpag people” about that.

          “Then my advice would be: “go somewhere else”.”

          That easy ha? 😳 I don’t know marius, I really don’t know.

          “Look, I didn’t say any of this is easy.”

          Maybe but you made it sound sooo easy.

          “But if you have a choice between dying of malnutrition on a garbage heap, or going out to the provinces to raise beans and chickens … well, I know which one I’d choose.”

          But it’s not about that marius, it’s about reality. None of what you said was even close to reality TV. You cannot just propose something without thinking of the consequence. You cannot just tell people what to do in a “just-believe-me-’cause-I’m-right” fashion. They’re not robots marius.
          😯

        14. Everything you said there, gnogid, is basically this:

          “oohhhhhhh my oh my but it’s all SO DIFFICULT. I don’t think I’ll do any of that. I’ll just stay here, doing exactly what I did yesterday, and with the same results.”

          You offered no reason why the poor can’t do as I suggested, except for “we can’t be bothered”.

          Of course it’s hard! Look at where you are! You’re at ROCK BOTTOM! Every possible solution, even the simplest ones, is going to be hard.

          However, the sooner you start, the less hard it will be.

          Public schools are bad. Don’t send your children there. End of story, problem solved.

          No, not problem solved. Problem acknowledged and addressed. First stages of problem-solving.

          Honestly, I think half the issue here is that Filipinos just don’t know how to approach problems logically, step-by-step. And that, I think, comes from poor education.

          So, if you have a 7-year old boy, tell him “bahala ka na sa buhay mo!” (You are on your own!). Is that what you are saying?

          Of course not. There are ways to motivate kids for self-directed learning (the Montessori method is one of the more famous ones).

          As I said, anyone who doesn’t know how to do this can ask an education NGO. Or check the internet. Or read a book. Good grief, gnogid, do you want me to come over there and wipe your bottom for you too?

          Ordinary rice farmers have not time to “read on the Internet”, marius, they are busy making a living.

          No, they’re not. They’re mostly wasting their time. I’ve watched them.

          There are off-seasons where there is little work to be done. That time could be productively spent on research.

          Are you seriously suggesting to me that the food supply of the country, and the management of agricultural land, should be left in the hands of people who know nothing about their craft and don’t want to learn?

          Also, you impliedly acknowledged in your statement that they are rich when you mentioned “family farm”. marius, in my country, the poor don’t have no “family farm”.

          Rubbish. All of the self-proclaimed poor have land – often quite a lot of it. What do you think CARP was for?

          If they don’t, they can buy some. As I said, it’s not expensive. A live-in housekeeper can earn 2500 pesos a month, at least. No skills required. Room and board is free. Let’s say she saves 1500 a month. 1500×24 months = 36000 pesos. You can buy at least half a hectare with that, and still have money left over for a nipa hut.

          Perhaps you’re referring to the urban poor? The completely destitute? As I said: they have a choice. It’s not a very nice choice, but it’s a choice:

          1) Stay in the city and die of malnutrition, disease, or murder.

          2) Save a few pesos and take your chances out in the provinces.

          Would you care to explain why (2) is illogical or unrealistic?

        15. “Good grief, gnogid, do you want me to come over there and wipe your bottom for you too?” – marius

          Err, granting for the sake of argument you are right to say that, we are talking of parents and their children. Are you my parent or my child in that analogy?

          “No, they’re not. They’re mostly wasting their time. I’ve watched them.
          There are off-seasons where there is little work to be done. That time could be productively spent on research.”

          You want rice farmers to do research by themselves on their ‘off-season’? Come on, marius!

          “What do you think CARP was for?”

          Nope. We’re talking about “lots of lawyers and doctors who retire and move back to their family farm.”

          “As I said: they have a choice. It’s not a very nice choice, but it’s a choice:

          1) Stay in the city and die of malnutrition, disease, or murder.
          2) Save a few pesos and take your chances out in the provinces.
          Would you care to explain why (2) is illogical or unrealistic?”

          It’s not really about choice but about survival. And I don’t know if I can explain what you just said. Only you can do that. All I know is that in no. 2, again, you make it sound easy and simple.

        16. Are you my parent or my child in that analogy?

          I’m the person who, it seems, you’re asking to provide ALL the answers, packaged and freeze-dried, ready for you to microwave and use.

          You want rice farmers to do research by themselves on their ‘off-season’? Come on, marius!

          I don’t “want” them to do anything. You asked me for suggestions that would improve the country. It doesn’t make any difference to me if rice farmers prefer to be poor.

          But you’re quite right. My mistake. We’re talking about Filipinos here.

          Why would a rice farmer want to find out how to grow more rice, with less effort, when he has nothing else to do? Or learn how to grow more profitable crops? Or learn how to make his land more productive (that is, his only asset, the thing that stands between him and death by starvation). What a waste of time!

          After all, he could better spend his time watching soap operas on TV, sitting around at the sari-sari store, spending his last few pesos on Tanduay, complaining about how poor he is and how ITS ALL SO UNFAIR AND SO MUCH HARD WORK AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T DO ANYTHING.

          Everything you write, gnogid, proves what I said earlier: Filipinos are doomed. They won’t lift one single finger to save themselves. Even things that cost nothing and are self-evidently useful, they won’t do them. Just because.

          Let’s do a little cost-benefit analysis on my suggestions. You fill in the negatives, OK?

          1) Throw away your TV.

          Cost : zero.

          Positive Impact : Subscription fee saved. Extra time to do other things. Kids do not watch stupid shows.
          Negative Impact : ____________

          2) Read some books. Or the Internet.

          Cost : 10-15 pesos an hour.

          Positive Impact: improved earning potential.
          Negative Impact : ____________

          3) Stop eating bad food (white rice, instant noodles, sugar, crackers and cookies, white bread, chips, hot dogs, ice cream, soft drinks, 3-in-1 coffee). Spend the money on meat and vegetables instead.

          Cost : zero (assuming you spend the junk-food money on proper food).

          Benefit: your chances of becoming diabetic or obese reduces to zero. You are much less likely to get heart disease. Your meals will taste better.

          Negative Impact : ____________

          So come on, gnogid. Give me the downsides. What’s so terrible about these suggestions that make them not worth doing?

          Nope. We’re talking about “lots of lawyers and doctors who retire and move back to their family farm.”

          OK. So what’s your point? Are you saying that simply being a lawyer automatically makes you a good farmer? Seems a bit unlikely.

          Look, I’m also aware of people who started with nothing except their own brains. They did exactly what I’ve suggested: start small, make some profit, buy land. Being rich helps, obviously. If you’re not rich, it just takes a bit longer.

          Anyway, I’d say we’re right back where we started: it’s the kids who are going to save the country, because nobody else wants to. If only the parents can refrain from “educating” their children:

          “Don’t you listen to those stupid foreigners. They don’t know anything. Nanay and Tatay know what’s best. Now, you go and find a nice job in a call centre run by foreigners, and make sure to send all your pay back to us at the end of the month”.

        17. Everything you write, gnogid, proves what I said earlier: Filipinos are doomed.

          You are right, you really said that.

          Let’s do a little cost-benefit analysis on my suggestions. You fill in the negatives, OK?
          1) Throw away your TV.
          Cost : zero.

          Cost zero? You know how much are TVs nowadays? Even those Korean junks cost too much, man! Stop picking on TVs. Try rap music. 😄

          2) Read some books. Or the Internet.
          Cost : 10-15 pesos an hour.

          I’ll give that to you. That’s a good idea but I have yet to see that in action. It would be better if you can give an example.

          3) Stop eating bad food (white rice, instant noodles, sugar, crackers and cookies, white bread, chips, hot dogs, ice cream, soft drinks, 3-in-1 coffee). Spend the money on meat and vegetables instead.
          Cost : zero (assuming you spend the junk-food money on proper food).

          Majority of Filipinos are poor. If most will not eat ‘bad food’ they will starve to death. Again, you advice is textbook kind but I have reservation until it is applied even to a small baranggay. 😎

      2. @marius. “Incidentally, I’m interested to see that you divide the world into “Filipinos” and “everybody else”. Has it not occurred to you that there might be a wide range of views across the surface of this planet, and that “foreigner” is not a nationality?”

        Hmmm…I thought I was the only one who noticed the same thing about gnogid when he or she doesn’t like what’s being said. The proverbial “race” or “ethnicity” card becomes a factor in someone’s observation.

        1. David,
          I explained the reason in advance why I asked if whether or not you are a Filipino but you opted to avoid it by talking with marius (who happened to duck the same question) about what you “noticed” in my asking? Did I touch a sensitive part by asking? I apologize if I did. 😳

          If you and marius wants to remain incognito while lecturing, criticizing and attacking the people whom you consuder beneath you, that’s fine. You have all the right to do that but I also have the right to assume anything every time why you prefer to do so. 👮

        2. gnogid: while you accuse us of avoiding your questions about who we are (relevance to topic: zero) you spend an awful lot of time avoiding actual relevant facts, or anything resembling a rational train of thought.

        3. @marius.genocide is afraid of his or her shadow. This is why our questions for him or her end up getting reworded and thrown back at us.

          Goodnight everyone. Talk to you tomorrow.

        4. gnogid: while you accuse us of avoiding your questions about who we are (relevance to topic: zero) – marius

          That is true, it is “zero” to you. And it is “zero” because you don’t want to expose yourself. If you are afraid to reveal something that you think is zero, do we call that having your tail between your legs? In other words, you’re a cowa…..bunga! 😄

          you spend an awful lot of time avoiding actual relevant facts, or anything resembling a rational train of thought.

          Again, that is true. But why spend time on something that is being parrotedly repeated?

          The problem with you and David is you expect people to listen and react to your sermon. You want us to listen to your “old song”. You want to dictate the flow of conversation. Not gonna happen. You had a chance to do that but you folded up when asked for your credentials.

          So, no can do, kiddo! 😛

        5. @gnogid. “The problem with you and David is you expect people to listen and react to your sermon. You want us to listen to your “old song”. You want to dictate the flow of conversation.”

          Ha! That description sounds like someone we’ve all gotten to know very well in the last few months. You. You are the quintessential, unsolicited lecturer of how others should conduct themselves on this site; the inquisitor of ethical and legal standards of other commenters’ rationale, with no matching references of his or her own; the “credential” and “race/ethnicity” card-puller who will taut others to reveal his or her own identity without doing the same; a seasoned “filibusterer” who will draw other commenters into a circuitous argument until the other side gives up, or lose control, without arriving at a real solution to the problem.

          It’s time to hold the proverbial mirror in front of your face, Medusa, and get a dose of your own medicine. Just like what the defunct “Aeta” said: you are an “intellectual bore” with no real purpose nor consequence to your “sermon,” but to irritate the other commenters and manipulate the direction of the conversation.

      3. “I’m the person who, it seems, you’re asking to provide ALL the answer…..” – marius

        No, marius, I’m the guy who’s telling you ALL your answers doesn’t make sense. I was not asking you for an answer. 😀

        “You asked me for suggestions…..”

        Man, don’t do that. I never asked you for anything. You offered you idea of solving the problem I simply disagree with you. I was expecting you to comeback and justify, explain and elaborate why your idea makes sense but you still come up short. My opinion.

        “But you’re quite right. My mistake.”

        Yes, it’s a mistake on your part but I was never right because I never push forward an idea that subordinates yours.

        “Why would a rice farmer want to find out how to grow more rice, with less effort, when he has nothing else to do? Or learn how to grow more profitable crops? Or learn how to make his land more productive…..”

        Nothing wrong in that but you have to be realistic. Farmers cannot till the land and support themselves and do research at the same time (even though it’s in off season). Somebody must do the researching and pass the technology to them. That is why they are called ‘farmers’.

        “After all, he could better spend his time watching soap operas on TV, sitting around at the sari-sari store, spending his last few pesos on Tanduay…..”

        Ah, you are ready to take their rest period and pastime? Well, you can do that, why not, but don’t you think it’s brutal to do that to people who’s only entertainment is TV and a drink here and there? That’s cruel, marius, just cruel. 😔

        To be continued……

        1. >> I’m the guy who’s telling you ALL your answers doesn’t make sense.

          And yet, you’re not able to pull up one single fact to prove your point. Can you offer some downsides to my suggestions, as I asked?

          If you’re just going to sit there saying “oooh oooh you’re hurting my dignity”, and “that’ll never work in the Philippines” then we’re wasting our time here.

          I was never right because I never push forward an idea that subordinates yours.

          You haven’t put forward any ideas. At all.

          That is why they are called ‘farmers’.

          Ah, you are ready to take their rest period and pastime?

          I can see how these two thoughts go together, of course. In your head, farmers are dumb carabao, waiting to be told what to do by their elders and betters. But their elders and betters should only tell them nice things. Otherwise, it’s cruel.

          You know what makes me laugh, gnogid? Filipinos assume that all foreigners are (a) rich and (b) stupid. And if foreigners are rich and stupid, Filipinos must be clever and poor. Logical, right?

          It never occurs to the Filipino that maybe those rich foreigners are rich because they know something about making money. No, they’re rich because they were born in Foreignland, and in Foreignland the government gives everyone money. So everyone is rich.

          I am actually quite “rich”. I travel all over the world. I fly business class if I feel like it. I eat nice food in fancy restaurants with awesome people.

          And you know how I got this? I worked for it. I learned things that people will pay me for. One of those things, funnily enough, is farming. I have a farm. I’m a farmer.

          One thing I don’t grow is rice, because I don’t want to be poor. Why? Because I’ve been poor. I know what ‘hungry’ feels like. I mean hungry every day, not hungry at lunchtime. I don’t ever want to feel like that again. Therefore, I worked hard.

          I swear, if Donald Trump walked up to a Filipino and said: “hey, want to know the secret of being rich?”, the Filipino would say, “Ha! Who are you to give me advice? What do you know about it? By the way, I have a great business idea, would you like to invest?”

          This is why people laugh at Filipinos, gnogid. It’s why I just can’t stop poking fun at you, however hard I try.

          It’s not because you are poor, or not very clever, or uneducated. It’s because of your hubris. Your massive, outsize delusion and ego. You stand there on top of a stinking garbage heap shouting at the world: “look at my lovely mansion! I bet you’re all jealous!”.

          Ah, you are ready to take their rest period and pastime? Well, you can do that, why not, but don’t you think it’s brutal to do that to people who’s only entertainment is TV and a drink here and there? That’s cruel, marius, just cruel.

          Is it? Wow. I didn’t realise. As I said, I’m a farmer, and my farm earns a lot of money, because I know how to farm. I read roughly 50 books a year, 20-30 of them on the subject of farming.

          And I don’t have a TV. Maybe I shouldn’t be so cruel to myself.

          Anyway, I said before, I’m not insisting they do anything. I’m simply pointing out:

          – If you do A, B, and C, you and your children will be poor, forever.

          – If you do D, E, and F, you have a good chance of being rich, or at least comfortable.

          So: if you want to keep your TV, you will pay P300 every month to the cable company, and you will lose 10 hours of your life every week.

          The point is, the Filipino wants to do A, B and C. He really, really, really wants to do those things.

          He wants to cheat, lie, waste his time, complain about how hard everything is, and sit on his ass waiting for the government to “do the researching and pass the technology to them.”, like a carabao waiting to be led to the stream.

          Therefore, he is poor.

  11. Walang nagsasabi ritong edukasyon ang kailangan ng mga mamamayan, na maaaaring makatulong yan para hindi na magago nang paulit-ulit ang mga Pilipino. Kung mababawasan ang mangmang, mas darami ang magkakatrabaho, higit na maiisip ng mga tao ang pagpapahalaga sa family planning at hindi na mag-aanak ng hindi kayang buhayin, mas higit nilang maisasakatuparan ang mga pangarap nila, hindi na sila ganoon kadaling mabola ng mga korap na opisyal, hindi na sila matatakot magtanong, higit na silang mag-iisip, mas darami ang magnenegosyo, mas darami ang magnanais na maging public servant na syang mga gagawa ng mga batas na ipatutupad para sa ikabubuti ng nakararami. Edukasyon.

    Walang wenta ang pagtuloy na huntahan dito at duruan at pataasan ng ihi sa alam ng isa’t isa sa pulitika o sa kung ano pa mang pinagkadalubhasaan nyo.

    Mainam pang magsagawa ng mobile school at dun gumugol ng oras kesa itong dakdakan nang dakdakang walang hanggan.

    O kung walang panahon, pwede ring mag-donate na lang sa mga lehitimong NGO na nagpapaaral sa mga bata at nagbibigay ng livelihood sa mga gustong magkahanap-buhay.

    And to these foreigners commenting here, I wish you well with the constant headache that you seem to enjoy always seeking by reading up on this sad, dirty, poor, hopeless, lawless, zombie-infested, stupid country. It’s your time you want to waste here, so yeah… spend — erm… waste it well.

    1. As I said several times, sammie, we don’t bother to interact with people like you. As you said yourself, it’s a waste of time.

      Luckily, not all Filipinos choose to build the same mental prisons that you enjoy living in.

      1. By replying to me, you just did. :p :p :p

        If you don’t mind stressing yourself on a constant basis by doing what you’re doing now, go ahead. ENJOY IT!

  12. Figuratively written, but it’s kinda missing something.

    What’s the pseudo-ideology of the Yellow-tards? Are the divides caused by people? Or is it more of their beliefs and convictions? What are those? What are these factions fighting for?

    Do we really have a clear picture of those? It is a collective effort to unite the country. For all the accolades and no-nonsense attitude Du30 has, he is no silver bullet. It will take all of us to heal the wounds, only by moving forward and moving on will we heal.

    1. @Bakulaw. “It will take all of us to heal the wounds, only by moving forward and moving on will we heal.”

      Yes, it will take all of you–together–to move forward and heal your wound as a nation; not as “individuals” trying to move in the same direction.

        1. @gnogid. I was just thinking of the same thing to say about you, and how you see fit to lecture me on how I should conduct myself on this site. Your unsolicited lecture must have earned a lot of brownie points from the moderator and guaranteed to keep you off the soon-to-deleted screen names list. Don’t forget to wipe your nose before going to bed. That brown stain on the pillow is going to be hard to get rid of.

        2. @ Pro Pinoy’s G. Nuguid A.K.A. “gnogid”:

          Your Boss , De Lima wants to make a Porno Video with you. Like what she did to her driver/lover, Ronnie Dayan…

          Maybe, you sold a lot of Shabu, and this is a way of thanking you ! How many kilos of Shabu have you sold ?

        3. David,
          Before I start, don’t forget that I wrote this.

          I share the same observation but that’s who and what they are here.

          I’m being realistic and awake. Hindi ako natutulog sa pansitan.

          Nope, lecturing means you’re telling someone he knows nothing of what he is talking about because he’s so dumb he doesn’t know the house where he’s in. Exactly what you are doing with the Filipinos every time you feel the itch to give a sermon. I’m just telling you to stop whining and get on with the game. If they decide to terminate you because you are not annoying enough or you sound wimpy it’s their call. And I don’t care with the people that runs this place. They can delete me anytime.

          Lecturing is your and marius’ expertise. Don’t make me a member of your club, I don’t deserve it for lack of credentials.

          Don’t tell me you don’t know who control this space? Don’t tell me you are trying to establish a democracy here? WAKE UP, DAVID! You don’t get to declare who wins here. They do.

          Can’t stand the heat? Quit. 😎

  13. Leila de Lima was seen in You Tube , press conference shouting. She is now losing her cool, and her mind, I believe.

    I believe that the Chinese Triad Mafia Drug crime syndicate; paid her driver/lover: Ronnie Dayan; to RECORD their love making Sex Video, to black mail, De Lima. The Chinese Triad Mafia, held De Lima on her Throat, for many years, when, she was a DOJ Secretary. The Drug Mafia had a free access to all high government officials; the National Bilibid Prison; the Governors; the Mayors; the Barangay Captains and the Police.

    It is only now that, everything nauseous is coming out; that the De Lima’s Sex Videos are no longer needed. So, someone from the Chinese Triad Drug Mafia released it to the public…
    “Hindi na kailangan si De Lima”…so… “bahala ka na sa buhay mo De Lima”…

    Aquino, Mar Roxas, Porky Drillon, Trillanes, Hontiveros, Leni Robredo , etc…may also have been involved with the Shabu Drug proliferation !

  14. Pro Pinoy’s G. Nuguid alyas “gnogid”:

    YellowTard Troll si gnogid, amo niya si Aquino at De Lima. Kunwari blogger siya. Drug Traficker itong kumag na ito !

    1. I work in Technical and Scientific fields, here in the U.S. I DEAL WITH SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL FACTS, EVERYDAY…I KNOW HOW TO : DISCERN, OBSERVE, PERCEIVE AND ARRIVE AT FACTS AND TRUTH. I AM EDUCATED AND EXPERIENCED in this field… – Hyden Toro

      Let’s, compare the above statement if you really practice who you say you are.

      Leila de Lima was seen in You Tube , press conference shouting. She is now losing her cool, and her mind, I BELIEVE.
      I BELIEVE that the Chinese Triad Mafia Drug crime syndicate; paid her driver/lover.
      De Lima is the most corrupt politician/government official, I HAVE EVER SEEN…

      I didn’t see any ‘scientific’ there my friend. 😄

      1. @gnogid. Man, you are like an ex-wife that simply won’t go away and will literally taut your ex-husband to commit homicide; or, a bad skin condition that keeps coming back to irritate. How many times are you going to go around in circles with your roundabout argument until you push the other side over the edge?

        1. @ David, getting through to Filipino’s is a lost cause as they are incapable of listenening. When you try to tell them something for their own good they think you are talking down to them, due to their inferiority complex. In short, don’t waste too much of your time on these people. Make a statement and ….that is all.

      2. @ Pro Pinoy’s G. Nuguid alyas “gnodid”:

        Box Office Show …Now Showing in Congress –

        De Lima and Ronnie Palisoc Dayan Sex Videos…

        Next Attraction in the Senate –

        De Lima and Ronnie Palisoc Dayan Sex Videos…

        Coming Soon _

        De Lima and G. Nuguid Sex Video…

        Also Starring –

        Pnoy Aquino, Trillanes, Porky Drilon, Hontiveros, Leni Robredo, Hacienda Luisita Swines, YellowTards, JayBee Sebastian, Peter Co…

        All Star Cast –

        The Chinese Triad Drug Mafia Drug Crime Syndicate in the Philippines…

        The Stabbing of Drug Lords in the National Bilibid Prison is a preview.

        The Hysterical Taunts of De Lima in her Press conference is a preview.

        Director –

        Mar Roxas .

        Music by –

        Herbert Colangco and his Band.

        Sharon Cuneta

        Freddie Aguilar

        Producers: Aquino and the Hacienda Luisita Swines Production.

        Buy your tickets Now , before they are sold out !!!

        1. I work in Technical and Scientific fields, here in the U.S. I deal with Scientific and Technical facts, everyday…I know how to : discern, observe, perceive and arrive at facts and truth. I am educated and experienced in this field… – Hyden Toro

          😃 😄 😃 😄

        2. @gnogid.

          “I work in Technical and Scientific fields, here in the U.S. I deal with Scientific and Technical facts, everyday…I know how to : discern, observe, perceive and arrive at facts and truth. I am educated and experienced in this field…” – Hyden Toro

          Up to what you’re good at again, aren’t you? This is why it’s dangerous for other commenters to reveal the source of their reasoning in their comments to you, while you keep your own background “credentials” for your comments incognito.

          You’ll always find a devious way to use the information that other commenters have provided by Kneading and rubbing what they said back on their face. I knew I was right on my suspicion about you from the get-go. You are a very unscrupulous person to deal with.

  15. Is that point of view comes from a foreigner or a Filipino? And what specific standard, if there is any, the view was based or culled from that shows how and why Filipinos don’t seem to find a way to stop “destroying their society”?

    I didn’t know that my simple query above would start a little brouhaha on my end and from the end of David and marius. Because of it, the flow of conversation became convoluted that waylaid the real issue. And that’s the last thing I want to happen, to put the issue at the backburner and push the emotional baggage in front.

    So, as a peace offering, let me offer my apology to you, David and marius. If I touch a raw nerve, I’m sorry. All I want to do now is go back on the issue. ✌

    1. @gnogid. You’re the only one convoluting the conversation by adding your extra” requirements on what criteria the commenters’ are basing their opinions on, and what kind of “credentials” they have to even try to insinuate what they’re trying to say, that draws away from the “real issue.”

      Why don’t you do the very same thing you’re requiring other commenters to do? Each time you open your mouth and start “filibustering” on any topic, and start outlining the rules of the conversation so you can control the direction it’s going to go, why don’t you give us your background knowledge and experience on how you’ve rationalized your own comments?

      In this way, no one will feel like you’re gaining the upper hand of knowing more about the other commenters–that you can use against them later in the discussion when things turn ugly–than they know about you. Does that sound fair to you? It does to me.

  16. David,
    I thought that by apologizing we’ll all go back on our respective corner and with the issue in the center again the conversation will go back on the right track.

    Unfortunately, I was wrong. Again.

    Instead of seeing the positive by admitting wrong on my part you chose to take the opportunity to sermon and lecture again. I apologized thinking that the mature in us will take over. That the issue is THE issue NOT US. I’m not going to take back my apology, which immature people do, and just do what I promise to do, that is, to talk about the issue.

    With the way you interpret my query it was obvious that you took it with a closed mind and let your immaturity get the better of you.

    David, there is no “requirement” in my query. IT’S ONLY IN YOUR HEAD. Either you are really onion-skinned or you are new to the game. I’ve encountered initial responses on posts I put up not questioning but actually calling me names, alleging bias and outright insult for insult sake. And you know what I did every time? I push, elaborate and explain what my post was all about. I do not wobble because a post has a double entendre in it. I do not panic out of suspicion. Never.

    In my query, there was no attack. No reason for it. But it was obvious it ticked you that instead of engaging and pushing forward to elaborate and explain you chose to turn against the one posing the query and unload what you think is an offense on you. Not really a good start if you want to have a conversation about your own post.

    Aggressive defense as to your intention instead of defending the view/opinion you espoused is not how to start a conversation. You are starting on a defensive mode.

    Your post was very critical and all I did was inquired as to what motivated it. Contrary to your fear, which could be the reason why you panicked, I did not contradict it. What vantage point you look at the issue that made you form such opinion. You know why I want to know? Because what you said is NOT REALLY NEW. Lots of people have said it in the past. In other words, you are late in the game. However, I still thought that maybe you are either young or somebody new in the country or even a foreigner who’s starting to gain some information, or one who has repeatedly said the same view on every blogs or forum. In other words, I just want to make sure where you are coming from.

    So, we go back to the place you want us to be. Game on! 👲

    1. @gnogid. I’ll keep this short and sweet. I’ve studied your tactics. You weren’t really apologizing. Instead, you were only trying to see if I’m weak-minded enough to fall for the pretense of your false sincerity.

      Now that I’ve established our rules of engagement–I will lay all my cards down on the table and I expect you to do the same–this will be the only way I will engage you in a mature and fair debate.

      Otherwise we’ll only be exchanging childish insults all day long and waste each other’s time. So if you agree to my terms, then the game is on.

      1. David, I’ll keep this sweet and sour. Unlike you, I have never “studied” your antics. All I did was read how you respond or duck a reaction you don’t like and I sense that you are a person with a BIG EGO. Just look at the posts you put up since I posed a query about the blah-blahs you wrote. It’s all ABOUT YOUR SENTIMENTS, YOUR SUSPICION, YOUR INSECURITY. Por joe, por santo, iho!

        Man, grow up! This is a blog. You talk, share, argue or disagree if necessary. YOU DON’T WHINE. I’ve never seen any proof why you keep on bellyaching and insinuating bad things against me.

        You see now the reason why I sometimes ask for a hint whom I’m talking with? This business of writing on blogs, you don’t know who you’re talking with. There are people, articulate people like you, who ‘talked and sound’ normal only to later on exposed themselves as broken. Like you.

        We have yet to argue with the issue because I haven’t contradicted you about your post and you have already recited a lot of your opinion ‘about me’.

        Game on, little boy. 😎

        1. @gnogid. Nobody is normal and that includes you. We all just strive for a little normalcy in our lives in order to continue to co-exist with one another. So what makes you think you’re normal and me not normal? What makes the infamous gnogid tick with all his or her nuts and bolts screwed on tight while mine are coming apart and about to fall out? How about giving us some insights into how your stable mind operates, complete with background experience and knowledge of human nature?

        2. Little David I’d rather you argue with me about issues than talk about your petty insecurities okay? I tried to engage you in a conversation not by contradicting what you said but by inquiring as to your basis but what did you do?

          Insinuate that I’m up to something bad? Yes, gnogid is bad because he sounded as if he doesn’t believe what I said! Cry, cry, cry!

          Stop it, Little David! (Oops, it’s ‘little’ so it should be small ‘l’) little David. You want to be treated as adult? Go back on issues and stop whining little David.

          And please, I’m having a discussion with marius. Don’t interrupt, little David. 😎

        3. “Nobody is normal and that includes you. We all just strive for a little normalcy in our lives in order to continue to co-exist with one another. So what makes you think you’re normal and me not normal? What makes the infamous gnogid tick with all his or her nuts and bolts screwed on tight while mine are coming apart and about to fall out? How about giving us some insights into how your stable mind operates, complete with background experience and knowledge of human nature?” – litte David

          little David, it all started from this post

          “Is that point of view comes from a foreigner or a Filipino? And what specific standard, if there is any, the view was based or culled from that shows how and why Filipinos don’t seem to find a way to stop “destroying their society”?” – gnogid

          You have not properly address that. Had you ignored it, it’s fine with me but you did not. What you did instead is go with this drama of insinuating that I’m up to something bad.

          So, yes, little David you are not normal. I said that because we had few positive exchanges before. Even in your observation about this blog I expressed my agreement. But when I made that query above you suddenly become “little” David.

          Yes you are broken, you are not normal. So, my next question to you little David is why? What happened? 😢

        4. @gnogid. I just knew you’re going to dodge my questions that required a complete background knowledge and experience on how you’ve arrived at your reasoning! You are a real “piece of work” and a coward.

          You want me to answer your “stupid questions” first so you can knead and rub my answers on my face until I lose my control—just like what you’re trying to do to Hayden and marius now–so you can declare yourself a winner in the end.

          You are like a deranged ex-wife or ex-girlfriend, who will stop at nothing to exact revenge on your ex-partners through series of manipulative tactics and lies, until you drive them to the edge. What a Psycho Hose Beast!

        5. I just knew you’re going to dodge my questions….. – little David

          There you go. Now you are the one asking the question, eh? Now, you want me to respond in kind to your question ha little David?

          I asked a question before and you ducked it and hide behind marius to talk about me instead of the issue.

          I explain why I ask a question and you continue to imply wrong on me.

          Since I was eager to engage you in a conversation I decided to admit I was wrong and apologized to you but you rejected it.

          You forced me to jump in again in the game by your maturity and now you’re going back to asking question?

          little David, when are you going to grow up? 😐

    2. @ G. Nuguid alyas “gnogid”:

      YellowTard “gnogid”, you are now a Porno Star ! A Star is born!!! Imagine, being cast into a Porno Movie , with former DOJ Sec. Leila de Lima !!! Former DOJ Sec. Leila de Lima, is now the Porno Queen of Philippine Movies…Do your taunts, also, in a Press conference, to sell us more tickets! Or you can stab your Shabu Drug suppliers…that would be a great preview !!! Use a big knife, not an ice pick ! It will create a tremendous impact on the viewers !!!

      This Porno Movie will be shown in the Philippine Congress and Senate ! I will sell some DVD copies in the “banketas”, to have my share also!…

  17. All I’m pointing out are the obvious on the content that you, and other GRP writers, write about: you despise one political party and favor the other. Anyone who reads the articles on this site will probably come up with the same conclusion. – David

    Can you please stop whining Little David?

    Everybody knows that most writers here have leanings, perceived or real. Get over it. If you don’t agree with what they’re saying, you are free to say it, boy!

    I do. I offer my contrary view and invite engagement if necessary. And I do it knowing the risk that I can get banned anytime. Or worst be hounded by a lunatic like Hyden Toro who is my best friend.

    You cannot accept that risk, boy? Go to the blogs where you will agree with all the members. Or better still join a crochet club. 😄

    1. Stop trying so hard to kiss up to GRP, gnogid. I’m sure they will reserve a spot for a chameleon-style writer like you, with an uncanny ability to change colour when the situation requires it. The GRP staff will just have to be careful not to turn their backs on you, lest they will find a dagger sticking out of it.

  18. @BenignO. I was being facetious….. – David

    Just stop it, Little David.

    I have enough of your antics. You immaturity is up to here! Enough, boy! 😡

  19. It’s too late. gnogid’s thin chameleon-like skin of proper decorum is starting to shed. What you’re seeing are layers of sarcasm and cynicism that make up his or her being. It’ll be awhile before a new layer of “sensible” skin replaces the old one. Believe me. I, too, am experience the same idiotic responses from gnogid. Damn, these chameleons are very unpredictable and cannot be trusted on when they will change on you. – Little David

    Words of wisdom from a wimp. 😄😃😀

    1. @gnogid. What’s the matter? Did I hit a tender spot in the Achilles’ heel with my description of you? The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

  20. Benigno (admin) reeks of hypocrisy. He tries to see the world in “yellow” and “non-yellow” when he knows deep inside him that the political colors of the Philippines is a broad spectrum. So what does this tell about him: he secretly loves and adores “yellows”.

    Imagine he has dedicated precious hours, days, months, and years on ranting just about “yellows”. Truly, without the “yellows”, Benigno (admin) would lose business. You see, he even named himself as Benigno. Isn’t that proof enough of Benigno’s love for the “yellows”? Admit it, you’re just like a homophobic man who is a bigot against gays but is in fact, gay himself. Hahaha.

    1. @NoToFaggots:

      Says the one who is an actual faggot and a hypocrite who loves to make assumptions and personal attacks.

      Everytime you laugh means you’re choking on your own tears. Congrats. :^)

  21. marius,
    In a nutshell, this is what you are proposing

    1. This generation of Filipinos are doomed. Just help the kids of today to do things right.
    2. Don’t send your children to public school. It sucks.
    3. Teach the children to use the internet.
    4. Feed them proper food.
    5. Throw away your TVs
    6. Refuse to pay taxes to the gov’t.
    7. Get together with neighbors and foreigners and help each other

    Actually, you and little David are the ones who have been talking about what to do to make changes. I’m not the one proposing I’m actually verifying and inquiring the possibility or probability of the theory you are advancing. I’m not even saying it’s an outright wrong because it was obvious that your intent is good. What I’m just thinking was in your desire to solve a problem you might create another problem because of faulty theory or formula.

    Just look at your 7-step proposal above. They are ideas that by itself are still raw and needs fine-tuning. Here’s my comment.

    1. Going negative on ‘this generation’ because they are, according to you, doomed hence no real chance of redemption is counterproductive. Why criticize a major part of your solution?

    2. Again, what benefit will you get when you criticize public education as a whole? The majority of the masses defend on public schools because it exists for them. Instead of saying don’t send your child to public school why not examine and find out what can be done to assist and improve public education service?

    3. Teach internet should not be the main goal because most kids today already have an idea of what it is. Again, there is an absence of an agent or institution that will undergo the process of guiding and assisting our kids towards computer technology/science.

    4. Food consumption should be centralized if you really want to see concrete result from your idea. Again, how do you do that?

    5. You want to throw away the TV which everybody knows is the source of information and entertainment? Not possible. Even dictators avoided touching people’s TV for fear of people’s power.

    6. If gov’t. cannot function for lack of funds how will the previous 5 steps you proposed come to fruition? Who will do those, the people themselves?

    7. Getting together can be done but for a limited purpose. If it’s a reunion or get-together-to-know-each-other party it’s okay. But to go deeper than that you need to have an organize group to push the objective of getting together. Again, not easy.

    “In your head, farmers are dumb carabao, waiting to be told what to do by their elders and betters.”

    Farmers are not researchers. Somebody has to supply them the technology and knowledge for them to apply it on the ground. They cannot work on the farm and at the same time seek science and discover facts.

    “You know what makes me laugh, gnogid? Filipinos assume that all foreigners are (a) rich and (b) stupid.”

    I don’t know where you get that idea. We do not see foreigners as rich and stupid per se. We see them as capable of helping and assisting countries like ours to better able ourselves through the help of their advance technology.

    “I am actually quite “rich”. I travel all over the world. I fly business class if I feel like it. I eat nice food in fancy restaurants with awesome people.”

    Uhu. 😐

    “And you know how I got this? I worked for it. I learned things that people will pay me for. One of those things, funnily enough, is farming. I have a farm. I’m a farmer.”

    But being a farmer, do you have any discoveries or have you developed techniques or styles to better farming technology?

    “One thing I don’t grow is rice, because I don’t want to be poor. Why? Because I’ve been poor. I know what ‘hungry’ feels like. I mean hungry every day, not hungry at lunchtime. I don’t ever want to feel like that again. Therefore, I worked hard.”

    You don’t plant rice because you don’t want to be poor? Let me guess, you grow marijuana, right? That’s okay but just be careful because we have an ongoing war on drugs, you know. 👮

    “This is why people laugh at Filipinos, gnogid. It’s why I just can’t stop poking fun at you, however hard I try.”

    That (poking fun) could be the reason why your 7-step proposal is weak and improbable as a theory. Advising and proposing solution is a serious matter, marius.

  22. They are ideas that by itself are still raw and needs fine-tuning.

    Of course they are. This is a comments section. I can’t write an entire book on the subject here.

    1. Going negative on ‘this generation’ because they are, according to you, doomed hence no real chance of redemption is counterproductive. Why criticize a major part of your solution?

    You’re completely missed the point. Let’s say a man has incurable cancer. He knows he’s going to die. What does he do?

    1) Rage against the diagnosis. Spend every last penny he has on treatment, and guilt-trip his children into paying for more treatment. Then he dies anyway, having spent all the family funds.

    2) Spend as much quality time as possible with his family, and do everything he can with his remaining time to make sure they have a secure life after his is gone.

    Filipinos are always looking for the ideal solution. They want what isn’t physically possible, and they want it right now, with no effort. When they find this can’t be done, they just sulk and say, “Huh. Fine. I’m not going to do anything then”.

    The majority of the masses defend on public schools because it exists for them.

    That’s the Philippines in a nutshell. Filipinos accept the worst possible service because that’s all there is. They never expect anything better … or consider providing something better for themselves.

    why not examine and find out what can be done to assist and improve public education service?

    Because, if you do that, you are going up against the collective might of the government and the oligarchy. Have you not understood? The purpose of school is to make Filipinos stupid. Do you think your masters will give you your freedom that easily?

    Even if you try to educate yourselves, they will try to stop you. But it’s a bit easier, because they can’t see what you’re doing.

    I don’t know where you get that idea.

    From the many, many Filipinos who try to get money from me with stupid scams (such as selling things they don’t own), business “investment” ideas, and the like.

    We see them as capable of helping and assisting countries like ours to better able ourselves through the help of their advance technology.

    That is the one thing that WILL NOT HELP YOU. Transplanted technology never works very well.

    What foreigners can offer you is ideas. You can then take those ideas, work with them, improve them, and make them your own.

    do you have any discoveries or have you developed techniques or styles to better farming technology?

    Yes. Many. But farming is like learning to ski. You can’t just tell someone how to ski. At some point, the learner must put on the skis, try, fall off, hurt himself, and try again until he understands the skis, the snow, and the physics. Every farmer must go through that process for himself, with his own land, and his own crop preferences.

    You don’t plant rice because you don’t want to be poor? Let me guess, you grow marijuana, right?

    Of course not. Marijuana, interestingly enough, is not a very profitable crop because of the costs involved in hiding it.

    I grow things that nobody else is growing, and I sell them to customers who will pay a high price for them. It’s really that simple.

    1. marius, these are your comments on the following:

      On where you get the idea that Filipinos assume that all foreigners are (a) rich and (b) stupid.

      “From the many, many Filipinos who try to get money from me with stupid scams (such as selling things they don’t own), business “investment” ideas, and the like.”

      Better get away from ‘doomed people’.

      On having your own discoveries and techniques or styles to better farming technology.

      “Yes. Many. But farming is like learning to ski.”

      You cannot name one out of the “many”? Farming is no ski. The former is work, the latter is sport. We all go through the process not only in ski or farming, sir.

      In what specifically do you grow.

      “I grow things that nobody else is growing, and I sell them to customers who will pay a high price for them. It’s really that simple.

      How can that be simple when in the “many things” that you do you cannot even name one thing that will support your credential in advancing a solution?

      Again, your idea needs ripening. As it is now, it’s supported by weak legs. 👀

  23. You cannot name one out of the “many”? Farming is no ski. The former is work, the latter is sport. We all go through the process not only in ski or farming, sir.

    So let me get this right.

    Gnogid here, who has (I assume) never grown anything in his life, is telling me, who makes profit from farming, that I’m talking nonsense?

    Remember what I said earlier about hubris, gnogid, and how the whole world is laughing at you because of it?

    If I say learning to farm is like learning to ski, then it is. When you’re a successful farmer, then you can tell me with confidence that it isn’t.

    The former is work, the latter is sport.

    Not if you’re a professional athlete.

    This is about state-of-mind. It’s all about state-of-mind. The Filipino starts with the view that the world is against him. He sees ghosts and enemies everywhere. When he farms, he sees nature as something he has to conquer. So he cuts down the trees, burns the weeds to the ground, and poisons all the animals.

    Then he goes to Church on Sunday and prays to God, whose creation he just destroyed.

    I farm because I enjoy it. It’s enormous fun. The Filipino farmer hates every minute of it, mostly because he’s doing it wrong.

    You really want me to post a how-to guide on farming, right here? Sure. I’m curious to hear how none of this will work in the Philippines, even though it does.

    Rule #1. Never plow. NEVER. If your soil is compacted, apply compost and lime, use a hand fork to loosen, plant monggo beans or similar, wait 6 months. Earthworms, burrowing animals, beetles, and bacteria will do the hard work.

    Rule #2. Plant more trees. Wild trees are fine. Tamarind, Ipil-Ipil, Kamachile, Kakawati. These are all free, and they’re all good. Fruit trees are even better: langka, cempedak, avocado, mango, papaya are all very easy to grow. Just eat the fruit and sow the seeds. They won’t necessarily produce commercial-grade fruit, but they’re all excellent for pig-feed. 50-200 trees per hectare is ideal.

    Rule #3. Grow more grass. “Super Napier” (Pakchong 1) is easily available now. If you can’t get it, there are similar wild grasses. Use the grass, along with trees, to delineate animal paddocks. It will grow thick and dense – even goats will have trouble getting through it.

    Rule #4. Make compost. Recipe: 10 buckets of pig or carabao manure, 15 buckets dead branches, leaves, etc, 15 buckets cut green grass/weeds. Mix it all together. In the dry season, cover it and add water sometimes. Wait 3 months. Apply to soil surface. Plant things.

    Rule #5. Don’t grow what your neighbor is growing. To the big buyers, it’s all the same, so if your neighbor offers a cheaper price, he makes the sale and you don’t.

    Rule #6. Don’t sell to the big buyers. They will always give you a bad price. Find your own markets.

    Rule #7. Don’t use pesticides or weedkillers. They might appear to work, but they’ll just end up causing more problems. Pesticides, for example, actually cause pest infestations (go on, laugh – I’ll explain if you really want to know why).

    There are exceptions to Rule #7 (for example, glyphosate can be applied by hand to lantana bushes if you have an uncontrollable infestation). However, I’ve never needed to use them yet.

    There are lots of other rules, but maybe you’d like cast your expert eye over rules 1-7 first, and tell me how it’s all completely impossible in the Philippines?

    1. marius,
      I think your rule 1-7 is a good thing. I’m not a farmer but I think with your expertise you’ll be able to guide a lot of people.

      What can I say but good luck! 👍

      1. Well, thanks gnogid, but I have no hope whatsoever of guiding anybody. All the other farmers think I’m mad, and sometimes tell me I should use this fertilizer or that pesticide, or plant beans and pumpkins, because that’s what they’ve always done.

        I even despair for the kids. There’s one little bastard who sneaks in to kill birds with a slingshot (given to him by his parents, obviously) because my farm is the only wildlife haven for miles around.

        I’d hire teenagers if I could – they would at least be teachable – but I’d probably be accused of something untoward and run out of town.

        1. Well, thanks gnogid, but I have no hope whatsoever of guiding anybody.

          Well, it’s just unfortunate that you have no interest in guiding anybody. I thought that those experience you have and your idea of how change can happen is what drives you to pursue your interest to share in the effort to help.

          Frankly, you convinced me that you have the potential to lead the effort toward change. I guess, that would be a wish for now.

          I wonder if little David have the same intention and desire. I guess not. 😎

        2. I would love to. But there are two problems:

          1) I’m a very bad teacher, especially when dealing with people who don’t want to learn.

          2) Filipinos don’t want to learn.

          As I said, even though Filipinos can see my results with their own eyes, they think I’m doing it wrong. Cut down the trees, they take up space and nutrients! Spray weedkiller on the weeds! Don’t plant that, plant this!

          It’s impossible to convince them that the trees have a function (water control, shade, compost, animal habitat, marketable output) and that weeds are simply another crop (nutrient mining+compost, ground cover) that need no special looking-after. They don’t want to hear it.

          So, the Filipino must first learn how to learn.

  24. The yellows know they don’t have the numbers, so they tried to hijack a university basketball game and use the crowd to paint an illusion.

    This is a new low even for the yellow high priests of the academe.

    To Father Villarin of Ateneo and Brother Broughton of De La Salle:

    Your job as educators is to teach your students to think for themselves, not brainwash them into becoming blind followers of your personal beliefs.

    The directives you issued “encouraging” your students to wear black to protest a jumble of issues from EJKs to the Marcos burial in Libingan ng mga Bayani is no less than abuse of power. You were using your position and authority over your students to promote your own political views.

    Thank God most of your students are smarter than you, and refused to take your directive seriously, as seen here:

    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/583537/sports/basketball/call-for-solidarity-unheeded-as-fans-keep-colors-for-ateneo-la-salle-game

    https://www.facebook.com/rafael.m.alunan/posts/10207408063740492

    https://twitter.com/spinph/status/782506362718781440

    Many of those who wore black at the game actually did so only by coincidence. But you anticipated that, didn’t you? You chose black, instead of yellow, precisely because black is one of the most common colors that people wear. You even had the all-encompassing phrase “black garments or black clothing accessories” in your memo so you can claim that anyone who wore black shoes or had a black bag at the game supports your position. You are truly desperate.

    You are behaving exactly like the friars who oppressed Ateneo alumnus Jose Rizal for disagreeing with their beliefs. What next? Are you going to start flunking students who write anything pro-Duterte in their essays? Are you not showing the same dictatorial tendencies that you condemned Marcos for? What sheer hypocrisy.

    The DECS should set guidelines to protect students from this kind of inappropriate and indirect coercive behavior by university officials. Even if these are private schools, they have no right to suppress the right of their students to free speech and free expression.

    Parents send their children to college to get an education, not to get brainwashed by agents of the yellow cult masquerading as priests and professors. Any institution that is pretending to be a school but is actually teaching students to become yellow fanatics should have its DECS accreditation suspended, so parents are not swindled out of their hard-earned tuition money.

    1. Any institution that is pretending to be a school but is actually teaching students to become yellow fanatics should have its DECS accreditation suspended, so parents are not swindled out of their hard-earned tuition money.

      How is that ever going to happen? While YOU might think the purpose of education is to learn to think, the people who supply the funds think otherwise. Governments fund universities for the same reason they buy votes. The method is basically the same.

      Government accreditation is meaningless when the whole thing is a stupid political game.

      If parents want their kids to learn they should start setting up their own institutions of learning, according to their own standards. Hire foreign teachers who know how to deliver results.

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