Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA): Why America is NOT the enemy!

So America’s awesome military is now well on its way to staging a triumphant return to the shores of its bosses’ hapless former colony. The Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) “highlights” the recent meeting between Philippine President Benigno Simeon “BS” Aquino III and US President Barack Obama. However, reports abound that many Filipinos supposedly aren’t happy with the deal which, in practice, works around constitutional bars against many forms of US troop deployment within Philippine territory. While the rhetoric surrounding this negativity may be loud, it is old and lame.

Left without US military assistance, the Philippines is a largely helpless and defenseless nation.
Left without US military assistance, the Philippines is a largely helpless and defenseless nation.
Militant group Gabriela (supposedly a champion of “womens’ issues”), for example, expressed fears that the increase in US troop deployments to the Philippines will result in an increase in crime around areas where they are stationed. According to Gabriela party-list Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan “the country could see a rise in women and child abuse cases as a result of the 10-year defense deal that will allow greater US military presence in the country.”

“They will still violate and go around the provisions. Tayo pa rin ang dehado.”

Ilagan said aside from a possible rise in cases of human rights violations, the defense pact can also cause damage to the country’s environment.

Bayan Muna Rep. Neri Colmenares shared Ilagan’s sentiment against the deal. “Ang daming nangyaring krimen noong panahon ng bases – rape, child prostitution, illegal drugs, human rights violations – mayroon ka bang nalaman na isang Amerikanong na-convict?”

Ilagan seems to conveniently forget, however, that many of the most heinous crimes in the Philippines are perpetrated by Filipinos themselves. Indeed, it is likely that crime that can be directly attributed to American military personnel is statistically insignificant. Indeed, the most recent high-profile crackdowns on child abuse in the Philippines were, in fact, initiated by foreign law enforcement agencies. This is another example of the way Filipinos are motivated by foreign pressure first before any self-initiative. Left to their own devices, local law enforcement agencies will have likely left that cancer to fester right under their noses.

Ilagan should also consider the tens (possibly hundreds) of thousands of Filipino lives that were saved and relieved of their misery by the awesome might of the US military back in late 2013 after super typhoon Haiyan struck the Philippines. If there were “victims” of “human rights violations” supposedly perpetrated by US troops in the past, as Ilagan points out, maybe that bit of math will put things in a bit more perspective for the honourable party-list “representative”. Perhaps Ilagan should, instead, spend her days going after her colleagues in government who make a killing syphoning off money intended for the rehabilitation of the disaster areas.

More to the point, the country is currently reeling from a vast corruption scandal, the scale of which investigators and observers alike are only beginning to understand. Though top members of the Philippine Senate have been implicated (and many more have yet to be revealed) in this appalling case of national plunder, many Filipinos doubt that any of these officials, most of whom are backed by large, powerful, and wealthy political machines, will ever see a day in prison.

Suffice to say, there are other, more pressing things Filipino “activists” should be worrying about than, say, American GI’s on Philippine soil. Perhaps they should keep the heat on pork barrel thieves and murderous Mindanao warlords like Andal Ampatuan rather than on a country and its government that, according to recent research, Filipinos love. In short, the Filipino people’s enemy is not America — it is themselves and the government they’ve built for themselves. It’s high time our so-called “activists” figure that out.

[Photo courtesy UPI.]

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pablo
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The government for the people, by the people

sea
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I’d rather government “not by the people, but for the people” in this case.

hyden Toro
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@Pablo:

Philippine “Democrazy”…it is government “fool” the people; “buy” the people; and “off” the people…it is weird but true…fuedal oligarchy forever!

sea
Guest

Maybe the bases and their immediate area would look nice again with the Americans back and not steaming piles of garbage when they left.

kingkong
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True perhaps, but what happens when they leave? No doubt without proper solution, garbage will pile up after they leave. The soldiers are a short term solution.

If they solve the garbage problem, what happens to the people in the shanties?

hu
Guest

Whats make you think they will ever leave?

kingkong
Guest

I don’t know what to think about this deal. I’ve read up on US news and the current corruption of the Obama administration, and I don’t think Obama’s visit marks a good sign. I’m afraid that there will be worse effects to this deal. Americans could be planning a war with China, and could be using the Philippines as an accessory. The soldiers might be able to help us solve a social issue or two, but I think they might create more social issues than they are supposed to solve.

BIG BLACK
Guest

USA to start a WAR with the Chinese? the country and its people who are doing the mass production for the American corporations/companies? That is a laugh!

GET A CLUE!,will you! OMG! Any,so called, ‘War’ will be scripted with ‘acceptable’ losses for both countries and the rich will laugh all the way to the bank,as usual.its dummies like you who make the division of the masses possible and why the masses are so easy to conquer!

Ein Kreuz
Guest

USA going to war with China? That’s a good deal if you’d ask me, especially if USA wins.

Yawn
Guest

Philippines, America’s rent boy in Asia. Some things never change colonized by the Spanish and 500 years on still being told what to do by foreigners.

BIG BLACK
Guest

IDK how factual that ‘rape’ actually was! Rape is a very difficult thing to prosecute.The Filipina would not be the first woman to cry rape for any number of reasons Bringing disgrace on her family for staying out too late, etc,etc,etc…

Sean
Guest

Nor would she have been the first Filipina raped by a US serviceman.

vibeit
Guest

Speaking of victims, what happened to that lady that got raped in a van by US troops? Isn’t she living in the US now? At least that’s the last I heard of that issue.

vince
Guest

she dropped the charges if i remember correctly. so it was consensual sex

Carmichael
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hope not to see another communist-fanatics naming wars here.

So far, if they’re worried about the possible crimes that may happen then shouldn’t they be hinting more on our justice system?

So in a way we don’t have to worry about a possible Chinese aggression as much as we should worry about the pork barrel case and what to do with the people involve.

david
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Don’t know why the US would bother wasting, money and blood defending a thankless lot who mostly do nothing but twist facts to play the usual victim card. The US should let Philippines swing in the breeze and see how long it takes for the tune to change. For the record I’m not American.

Rey Mendoza
Guest

I WONDER why the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) is eerily silent on the Philippine nuclear-free policy?

Solid Snake
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Gabriela and Bayan muna doesnt want US forces in our country because the americans will help our govt obliterate the communist insurgents that are of the same kind as the 2 said partylists/groups. I myself am ashamed that we filipinos have to rely on foreign forces for our own defense.

Redondo
Guest

And as an American, I am ashamed that the only thing my country seems to be good at is war.

But actually, I think you Filipinos are in an enviable situation. You can enjoy your lives and build your country while letting us deal with China. You just need a bit of diplomatic finesse to keep the game going.

BIG BLACK
Guest

Maybe you do not remember the cars of the 1960’s early 70’s or the furniture that is still solid as the oaks it came from in 1935.

Americans can make the best products on earth but Corporations do not want affluent or even ‘middle-class’ workers. The thing to be ashamed of is what you shoud be OUTRAGED about,OK? and that is a congress and supreme court that has sold the entire country to the Chinese in the name of profits.as the USA descends into 3rd world status you Redondo should be outraged.

Hyden Toro
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@Redondo:

We don’t want your help; if it is exchanged with our dignity and self respect…you can keep your help/aid…leave us alone…stop intervening in our country…

Atilla
Guest

I agree with you the Philippines should be left alone.

Solid Snake
Guest

Truth hurts. We cant handle international disputes without USA. Napoles and her gang took all the money allocated for our military modernization.

hawkeye
Guest

“We don’t want your help; if it is exchanged with our dignity and self respect…you can keep your help/aid…leave us alone…”

On this, SURPRISINGLY, I wholeheartedly agree. You should work to have all OFWs who work overseas for a pittance individually, but who collectively make the economy on the Philippines tick, come back HOME to the Philippines.

Furthermore, you should work to not have foreigners to come and invest in the Philippines. Instead you should advocate that only Filipinos, who of course pay top dollar for labor, should own ALL businesses in the Philippines.

Are you a natural NUTCASE?

Sean
Guest

You aren’t Iraq or Afghanistan. You weren’t invaded. You government begs us to come and we do. I surely don’t hear anyone complaining about the MILLIONS of dollars in US monetary and humanitarian aid offered during the days and weeks after the typhoon hit. Wonder why THAT is?

Pallacertus
Guest

I would’ve liked this idea if this were the 1950s, when there were a lot more reasons to be optimistic about the Philippines in general.

ChinoF
Member

Hmm, Gabriela didn’t mention that other excuse, that Americans will stimulate prostitution when they come back. The thing is, the Americans didn’t ask for prostitutes, it’s the pimps who offer them.

And of course, some anti-Americanists want to shift the blame on problems of the country to the foreigners, so that they will absolve themselves of the faults of our culture that are our own, and do nothing. Faults such as being disrespectfully noisy and discourteous towards others.

vince
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and why do people go into prostitution? the economy is bad

and whose job is it to run the economy?

Johnny Saint
Guest

Not the Philippine government. And certainly not the US government.

gafused
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In the the case of the Philippines, the (bad) economy has little to do with the reason why some go into prostitution; it’s more about the “easy/easier way out of poverty” mentality being the main cause.

Johnny Saint
Guest

So your contention is that (Filipino) prostitutes are just too lazy to work in conventional fields of endeavour? What proof do you have that this is the case?

nopenope
Guest

I didnt see any mention of laziness anywhere up there, Perhaps easy as easy money and someplace to work where they dont kick you out after 5 months?1.

1. Lisa, from Goodtimes.

Johnny Saint
Guest

nopenope,

Pardon me, but how are we supposed to interpret ‘easy money’ as anything but ‘abundant returns for little or no effort’? That is the very attitude that characterises the indolent. Your explanation that ‘easy money’ actually means ‘regular’ and/or permanent employment is off on a different tangent. Incidentally, being let go after a temporary five month stint doesn’t prevent anyone from getting employed in another company. Thousands of Filipinos persist in this manner; just to keep food on the table. It doesn’t mean that regular salaried employees work any less or that their jobs are less difficult, either.

haha
Guest

are you joking?…being a prostitute is not easy.. girls are trapped in there.

nopenope
Guest

I would like to believe the sentiments of Gabriela, unfortunately it is almost racists? , and my time in foreigner hot spots and small towns will forever torment me.

There are night clubs every where!

We only have ourselves and our constitution to blame for stimulating this poor girls into a life of plenty but and only in my dim opinion, indignity.

If they truly want to stop prostitution taking note from islamic states might help, and maybe just maybe bangsamoro.

vibeit
Guest

“They will still violate and go around the provisions. Tayo pa rin ang dehado.” -Ilagan.

Gabriela and those other similar groups should be reminded about something called “Presumption of innocence.” or “Innocent until proven guilty.” What happened? Did they just throw that out of window? They should be careful of throwing accusations like that. And I also think that comment against foreigners is racist, they might as well say the same thing to regular tourists.

Sean
Guest

To be honest America doesn’t have the best track record of allowing their troops to be held accountable for breaking the law.

BIG BLACK
Guest

@ Benigno, True dat Mon! The problem in the Filippines is a corruption based political system that is just robbing the country blind. The fact that most filipino’s, as the article stated ‘do not understand’ the size and scale and scope of the current plundering of the treasury and entire economy speaks to the utter idiocy of the people.

Your being robbed blind by these scumbags! What is soooo hard to figure out? Does the Filipino really need a weather man to know which way the wind blows?
Apparently, uh…YES!

Hyden Toro
Guest
If American trrops are present in our soil…surely American pressure will be on the politicians again to work for American interest.. I believe for the independence of the Philippines, on all matters…we should learn to defend ourselves; solve our own problems; handle our own affairs…this is the way to grow maturely… If American troops are here…would you believe they would erect ther tents in far away places in the Philippines? No…sir… They would need good housing; good warehouses to put their equipment and logistics; and good entertainment (prostitution)… If we can learn to stand by ourselves…other countries will help us…other… Read more »
vibeit
Guest
And exactly how can the Philippines defend itself at this point? The congress and senate are a mess, the country is riddled with poor people, there’s brain drain since many are leaving to work overseas, the local military is ill equipped and trained, China has nukes, the mines are run by Chinese businessmen, and the rainy season has started so the government will have to worry about future flooding and other weather-related calamities(may God forbid). As for the prostitutes, the problem is no longer on the US troops but on the former. They should choose a better life instead. And… Read more »
phantommagnum
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“Article five [of the US-Japan security treaty] covers all territories under Japan’s administration, including [the] Senkaku Islands,” Obama said unequivocally, referring to the East China Sea archipelago which Beijing calls the Diaoyus, according to Agence France-Presse.

Compared to that Obama didn’t swore to help the Philippines if China ever attack the contested island and territories such as Spratlys.

The US will only move where their interest is involve.

Sean
Guest

Not true. The US military is committed to defending the Philippines. Unlike some Filipinos, the US still considers the Philippines a friend and ally and will NOT let it be attacked.

Hyden Toro
Guest
@Vibeit: Are you telling me that the Aquino era is a failure? Because it failed to address these issues? And solve our problems? Rampant prostitution is in our country, because of the bad economic conditions, as a result of Aquino Regime bad governance…same as the brain drain issue… If I write my blog, it is up to people , if they are swayed or not. This is an open market of ideas…it is not my fault, if they see the truth in what I write… How did you teach your infant child to walk? Let him/her walk…he/she may get bruises… Read more »
vibeit
Guest
How can I be a yellowtard if I’m against Aquino admin? Anyway, the late Cory is where the country really went downhill. We were very prosperous during the Marcos era. Apparently some jerk wads who just couldn’t be disciplined enough to just stay at home during curfew hours and started complaining when they were arrested when martial law came out. Also, communism was growing at the time so Marcos had to deal with it fast, hence declaration of Martial Law. UP campuses were rumoured to have hosted those assemblies for communist sympathizers. I’m pretty convinced about this, considering how many… Read more »
hawkeye
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“Rampant prostitution is in our country, because of the bad economic conditions, as a result of Aquino Regime bad governance…same as the brain drain issue…” One of the dumbest comments I have ever read here. There was never prostitution on a grand scale here before the current admin? or Brain drain before the current administration? LOL WTF? What world do you live in? Prostitution has been rampant here for decades and continues to get worse EVERY YEAR because EVERY administration since Marcos’s departure has failed to deliver. I’m not a pro Marcos person at all but he did understand that… Read more »
Big Black
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@Hyden, how quickly you filipino’s do forget. The amount of help the USA has extended to the filippines during typhoons/floods/earthquakes is astonishing. if the greedy scubags at the top of the filippine gov’t. would only stop stealing the aid and all esle that is not nailed to the floor, the country might stand a chance at progressing, BUT….

you sound like an ingrate.Next time Manila is under water try calling China first! RING RING,”Hello China, this is the filippines.Could you help us out over here,were flooded?”…

…”LOL!” Click! “Hello.hello is anybody there? Hello”…LOL!

Hyden Toro
Guest

@Big Black:

Yes, I didn’t forget….I did not forget how they imposed on us the Laurel-Langley Agreement…to steal our: gold, cooper, and other natural resources…

My late father was one of the “Battling Bastards of Bataan”…” no mama-san, no papa-san…no uncle sam”…much more the thousand ship convoy that our soldiers believed in the battle. So that they will fight to death for Uncle Sam…

Too many YellowTards here to defend Uncle Sam…

hawkeye
Guest

“Battling bastards of bataan” were not all Filipinos so shut the fuck up. Your quote is also from an American not a Filipino you fucktard

mcalleyboy
Guest
Hyden Toro, well China already owns most of your economy and it looks like the very wealthy and very poor mirror China,(It sounds like your blessed with money) so why don’t you and those Chinese funded protestors make the Philippines a part of China and get over with already. Your double standards on sexual relations between young men (any race) and women verge on racism but then again double standards are what your all about. Many of the men that date or meet girls as prostitutes end up married and living in the US but those tricycle, jeepeny playboys get… Read more »
Hyden Toro
Guest

@Mcalleyboy:

The issue here is not me…or China…Whatever we do with China is our own bussiness…not yours…so mind your own business…

Whatever people do with their lives; is their choices…don’t divert the issue here…

You want your Bases back? Do you?

mcalleyboy
Guest

Makes no difference to me if China takes over and you will never see American bases here ever again, back in 1991 I was told by senior military we were tired of paying the 77 million US dollars to lease out the base and the number was climbing, we weren’t kicked out as the media claims, we got tired of being thrashed for cash and the icing on the cake was the Mt Pinatubo mess. I noticed you didn’t address your local Philippine playboy issues but focus on foreigners.

Johnny Saint
Guest

At what point should the US and the American people be concerned? If Chinese belligerence leads to overtures to occupy Singapore and Australia, based on some fabricated historical account, perhaps? Or if they decide to claim the continental US because the Chinese admiral and explorer Zheng He may have reached America?

hawkeye
Guest

“You want your Bases back? Do you?”

I’m not an American, but do want the Americans to have their bases back. REASON bcoz China is likely to fuck your ass with no condom and start something serious. I feel more assured, that with the Americans back, China is less likely to do something stupid, and my son is thus not likely to lose his life in a senseless regional/global conflict. Swallow your stupid national pride. And BTW, based on your comments overall, I do think you don’t think.

Hyden Toro
Guest

@Hawkeye:

You idiot…you didn’t know that if the American Bases were not in the Philippines. Japan would not had attack the Philippines? Look at Thailand…Japan did not attack Thailand in World II…no foreign bases in their country…shut up…ignorant asshole…

Johnny Saint
Guest
Hyden Toro, Please refrain from using profanity and name calling as your immediate response to anyone who even appears to disagree with you. This childish behaviour is becoming very tiresome. Also — don’t lie or fabricate evidence just to win an argument. — Some corrections to the misinformation regarding Thailand and Japan in World War II: The Empire of Japan invaded Thailand (Siam) and Malaya from their bases in Indochina on 8 December 1941 (the same day they bombed Pearl Harbour). The Thai army engaged the Japanese forces for several hours before the Thai PM ordered all resistance to cease;… Read more »
Bjorn
Guest

The USA is the only friend that the Philippines has, that matters. The USA is always there for the country when the disasters strike, so why would people NOT want them there?
It might be different if the Philippines was not corrupt and spent its peso’s on strengthening the country..but it all get sstolen so what are you going to do, bite the hand that literally feeds you?
Fiipino’s are their own worst enemy.

WR
Guest

While militants waste precious saliva(it’s a hot summer) screaming out their delusional frustrations against the US, Filipino soldiers and US troops are busy rebuilding infrastructure in regions affected by recent disasters. It is clear what the people will choose.

By the way, these same militant groups are blurting out this US toxic waste issue again. Is this true or is it just another myth?

Hyden Toro
Guest

@WR:

Another YellowTard with colonial mentality…you called people “militants”; because they love their country and want the best for their people…

Our forefathers (katipunan) who fought against the American invaders; were called “insurrectos”. If fighting for dignity and self respect is being called “militant”…then, so be it…

Anyway, Aquino sold us already to the Americans; the same way his grandfather, Benigno Aquino I, sold us to the Japanese militarist invaders…

mcalleyboy
Guest

Define your version of dignity and self respect? Is it when walking in the “cross walks” you can get killed or driving down the highway and the bus, jeepeny or brand new SUV is in his passing lane which also happens to be your lane and a head could occur…is this a form of respect for others, cutting in line in front of another a form of dignity…how much respect is required to satisfy you, isn’t it a two way street or is it all one way for you, I’m thinking your real one way.

WR
Guest

Calm Down HT, just because some of us have a favorable view of the US doesn’t mean that we’re suddenly pro Noytard. It’s okay to have disagreements sometimes but there is no need to lash out at everyone.

Cola890
Guest

@Hyden Toro if you are for the country then why aren’t you voicing out about the Chinese Illegal Black Sand Mining operation operating all over the country and destroying the environment? That illegal Black Sand Mining operation is killing the environment, shouldn’t you be concerned about that too?

sea
Guest

Only the US? How about the the rest of the Anglosphere like Australia and the UK? I guess they’re too busy taking care of their own within the Commonwealth huh?

Hyden Toro
Guest

@Bjorn:

We don’t want help or aid in exchange for our dignity and self-respect…if they help, there must be “no strings” attached…

Otherwise, they can keep their help/aid…we keep our dignity and self-respect…

Whose fault the if Philippines is corrupt and in a mess? You voted for these incompetent and self serving leaders…then, you run to Uncle Sam for help?

Jeff
Guest
U filo mutts have a short memory of who guards your country and does the heavy lifting when you have natural disasters.. Don’t talk crap about being able to stand on your own feet when you depend upon us for your very survival, and don’t bite the hand that protects and feeds you. You lot should be grateful for our continued presence in your third world dump, I ain’t dog to say we are your masters but we definite are your superiors, so know your place. Having said that, God bless America and the Filos, at least your country isn’t… Read more »
Johnny Saint
Guest
No, the Philippines won’t be kowtowing to China the way you imply. But the US president certainly has. He’s been acquiescing to Chinese belligerence by refusing to assert US influence in Asia since the start of his administration. Is it any wonder that from the moment Obama assumed office, the Chinese have stepped up their campaign to unilaterally control the waters south to Palawan? They correctly assessed that the Obama administration would be more concerned with domestic policy and the two wars the US has been prosecuting since 2001. Obama’s State Department has often repeated that the US considers China… Read more »
Johnny Saint
Guest

Interestingly for someone who has pretensions to superiority, one would imagine that ‘Jeff’ might have better command of his own language. At least something more than elementary level.

mcalleyboy
Guest

One way relationships, so much like my in-laws and if you don’t like it you can hit the road…lol or it’s my way or the highway. You can gauge how people feel about one another not in person but on the road ways, watched a video the other night of a huge truck pushing a car sideways down the road for blocks he claims he didn’t see the car but the car was making it very difficult to keep the truck in a straight line.

BJORN
Guest
@ SAint, there you go thinking you know what the Obamma admin is doing or thinking. and guess what? You have no clue! The U.S. Corporations are the only Corporations onearth with deep-sea drilling capabilities. China wants that oil in the shoals but can not extract it, DUH!!!!!! Also the U.S. Corporations have ‘outsourced’ every single job they can from the West to China. Chinese ‘Elites’ have been made wealthy like this. So you see, numb-one, the two exist to seek profit wherever they find it. Any ‘differences’ the two may ‘seem’ to have is just to keep up defense… Read more »
BJORN
Guest

if it were up to me, you would not have gotten any help to begin with. Let the country protect itself, care for its own natural disasters.

and BTW, I did not vote for a single Filipino or USA politician, not one! It is impossible for me to do so….and I ain’t gettin married.

Atilla
Guest

I’m an American and I don’t agree with you. Philippines should be left alone. The USA will be made a scapegoat again. Filipinos have to walk their own path to be able to pull it together.

Johnny Saint
Guest
Pardon me, but you would prefer that the United States renege on its treaty obligations because you’re worried about what the rest of the World might say about you? I’m sorry but that is a rather juvenile attitude. For the most part the rest of the world has a favourable view of the American people. And a high regard for the ideals that America has come to represent. The United States is still the benchmark for freedom and democracy that oppressed peoples aspire to. There is also a high level of respect for the US military and its fighting men… Read more »
BJORN
Guest

‘its in-action during the arab spring’,OMG!

You are sooo clue-less I will not even try to correct you.You may have a bearing on what is happening in your own country…BUT YOU are Internationally clueless.

You do not even know why Khadaffy’s dead, do ya?

BJORN
Guest

The last comment was @ Saint.

and I had to stop reading his comment, its too funny.

Saint doesn’t even know what happened in Libya Or Benghazi, forget Eygypt…but he sure thinks he does! This is too funny, my stomach hurts. No wonder the Philippines is so fucked!

Holy Shit, it is almost un-believable that these ‘insights’, as incorrect as they are, are espoused in the Philippines as some sort of truth.Invest in some new glasses or at least get a clue,IDK Saint, just incredibly moronic.

Johnny Saint
Guest

Bjorn,

I would respond but you haven’t really posed any alternative insights to my analysis. The only thing you offered is an exhibition of willful ignorance and stupidity peppered by personal attacks. You couldn’t even explain why you believe the analysis is ‘wrong.’ That demonstrates your intellectual bankruptcy and a tendency to believe in ludicrous conspiracy theories rather than any capacity to contribute to the discussion.

Johnny Saint
Guest

Incidentally, the Philippines is fucked — along with the rest of America’s Asian allies, for that matter — if America persists in the mind bending illogic exhibited by Bjorn.

Johnny Saint
Guest

NO, the death of American Ambassador Chris Stevens isn’t amusing at all. It is deplorable that the United States would allow itself to be attacked in that manner. It is reprehensible that the American leadership would cover up the events to gain political points in an election year. Then again, seeing the puerile shallowness of Bjorn, it isn’t surprising that America’s enemies openly display an undisguised disdain for the US and its people.

BJORN
Guest
@SAINT, IF you can tell anyone/yourself why Moammarr Khaddafy is dead, why his country was invaded and Why he was hunted down like a dog and murdered…THEN, and only then will I even bother to explain some it to you! You talk as if you are an international statesman, well informed…but your assertions are incorrect. I was being gentle when I referred to your comments as moronic,AND YOU TOOK THE BAIT (Thank you for being so predictable) you being a typical flip, take the bait and run with it.LOL! FACE it, you may know what is going on in your… Read more »
Bjorn
Guest
@Saint, U R SO WRONG, I’m not even an American,U jackass!(LOL,puerile, find a dictionary did you?) Khadaffy’s execution was ordered because he tried to sell oil on the International market,FOR GOLD, instead of the sacred ‘petro-dollar’. and you know you did not know that,did you? UH-HUH?(‘UM,UH, WHICH WAY IS UP?’ says Johnnny.) You are a waste of time to even try to enlighten/educate.Your know-it-all attitude and popping off at the mouth about things you do not have the slightest understanding of is laughable. You actually think Barrack Obamma runs the USA? or think you really know what happened at that… Read more »
mcalleyboy
Guest

Bjorn… Quadfi was killed by his own people, there’s footage of this on YouTube.

Bjorn
Guest

‘That certainly was the case for Ambassador Chris Stevens’, as if you have a clue!

Statements like that make you appear like the retard you no doubt are.

Johnny Saint
Guest
Gentle? The unequivocal truth is that you cannot refute any of the analysis regarding the White House position on China and Southeast Asia. You persist in dropping cryptic references to some nebulous thread running through the events in North Africa as if that has some profound revelation. Typical dissimulation by the chronically stupid and wilfully ignorant who rely solely on ludicrous conspiracy theories and baldfaced lies to fill the vacuum between their ears. — For some reason you seem to be fixated on Muammar Qaddafi. Let’s be clear. He wasn’t a good guy. He was corrupt. He brutally repressed his… Read more »
Johnny Saint
Guest
Again the most persistent conspiracy theory about the Libyan civil war rears its head. Something which can neither be proved nor disproved; conjecture that relies on largely on secondhand information and hearsay. Conspiracy theories are despicable things. They are the refuge of the weak-minded (i.e. Bjorn). Reality is bad enough; there is no need to fabricate explanations of the world using fantasy and delusion. No matter how well the pieces fit. The facts should suffice. The facts are that an oppressive, decadent sectarian security regime was afflicted by social and political decay and was eroding from within. This made the… Read more »
Johnny Saint
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Let’s point out again that Bjorn’s continuing fixation on Qadaffi STILL has no direct impact on the issue of Chinese belligerence in Southeast Asia or the Enhanced Defence Cooperation Agreement which is the topic of this discussion thread.

mcalleyboy
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Bjorn sounds like a conspiracy theorist, I wonder what his comment is on the Japanese occupation here and how they brutalized Philippines citizens and babies, was that a conspiracy? and Hyden Toro, both have forgot or have never been exposed to prior Philippine history lessons and that could be very dangerous if history repeats itself… why wait for something to happen to the Philippines, the warnings are already out there the leadership is taking the correct approach a 10 year agreement with the US and no bases involved this could be a mutual agreement and in that 10 year span… Read more »
Bjorn
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I said nothing of conspiracy theories, you again see what you want to see. The Western Corporations run the world.Barack Obamma is a ‘flacK catcher’,when shit goes wrong he takes the ‘flack’,get it? He runs nothing but his mouth. I am well aware of who did the final dirty work on Khadday as well.His ouster was choreographed, just like most other things happening in the world today.The reason why his country was invaded was already stated. What was Stevens doing in Benghazi?instead of Tripoli? what was in the basement that can never be publicly spoken about? SHH,SHHHHHHHHHH…U arrogant fuck, Saint… Read more »
Johnny Saint
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I am astounded that the shallowness of your comprehension reveals even greater breadth than was previously established. — NO ONE said that YOU were claiming your assertions to be part of some vast conspiracy theory. Why would you? You believe them to be gospel truth. Anyone reading your posts will attest to that. I and at least one other commentator characterised your postings to be the rantings of a conspiracy theorist. All of which could be cleared up if you were to provide proof of your claims. As in any normal discussion. That you cannot provide even a single link… Read more »
Johnny Saint
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BTW, conspiracy theories aside, ‘Bjorn’ still has not mentioned anything about the Chinese claims on the Spratlys or the EDCA, and/or the US response, which is still the subject of this discussion thread. Still no explanation as to why ‘Bjorn’ prefers to deviate from the topic (aside from the chronic stupidity and ignorance).

Bjorn
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@SAINT, No one,including ‘MOI’ has besmirched the dead ambassador.Asking you to ask yourself a question, is not a besmichment of anyone. You see what you want to see.”Tryng to hold the country together”,is what you said? YES? With less than 10 embassy personel in the compound? OH YEAH? You are beyond retarded. The Spratlys were carved up a long time ago,who gets what has been decided.You can be sure that apart from a few crooked Filipino politicians that the avg. Filipino will not benefit one iota from what is under the sea bed in the ‘allegedly’ contested waters.Being,most likely, an… Read more »
Sean
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Well said. Obama is a pathetic and spineless leader and America cant wait for him to go!

Johnny Saint
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Education? Ludicrous! Still regurgitating the same anti-intellectual tripe. Still forcing the same fake laughter. Still haven’t come up with an explanation that is probable or any proof that is credible. Still desperate to sell conjecture and rumour as fact. Still pretending some mysterious cabal of world rulers manages your life. Must be nice not to bother with the tedium of living if your life is predetermined by forces beyond your control. Ignorant and lazy to boot. Still trying to demean a hero whose motivations you couldn’t begin to fathom. Stop fouling the memory of the dead guy. — Amazingly, ‘Bjorn’… Read more »
Bjorn
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HA,LMAO @ YOU SAINT, You are the one, “FLIPTARD”, whose life is determined by forces beyond your control. YOU ARE THE ONE WHOSE COUNTRY CAN NOT DEFEND ITSELF and must seek others HELP whenever mother nature sneezes in your countries direction.YOU are the one who lives in that poverty stricken shit-hole mess of a country, not me. You can’t hang with me,dipshit! Anywhere on the planet.HA! You can’t even get out f your own country.and yet you act ‘as if’ my life is dictated by others.FLIP IT,FLIP IT GOOD! LMAO AT YOU! its like this,you sorry ass douchbag…YOU are the… Read more »
Bjorn
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the deletions have begun, the last one was a zinger too! Too bad.
SAINT, forget about buying that clue, buy a roadmap instead and ,if you can read it, find your way back to reality.YOU are the one who cant leave your own country.and You are the one whose life is dictated by others!

Johnny Saint
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As usual, ‘Bjorn’ still has nothing more than racist bombast and foul language to pollute the comments section. The increased number of pejoratives clearly indicates a desperation to mask the paucity of any original thought or critical thinking aside from the conspiracy theory ‘Bjorn’ clings to.

Hyden Toro
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@Johnnny Saint:

If they respect me,and not use profanity…then, I will refrain from using profanity…we must respect each other…

Hyden Toro
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@Jeff:

If you leave us alone…we will not starve…
why are you here , anyway? What is your business here? To teach us?
No…you want again your bases back…because you want to make more corrupt our politicians…

BJORN
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@HT, its the Philippine politicians that want the $$$$$.

Hyden Toro
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@Bjorn:

The ‘bugaws” also want their business back…their prostitutes missed their former patrons…

mcalleyboy
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Your focused on the sex industry but what you don’t know is that all almost all those girls that worked in Subic, Angeles wanted marriage and without a shadow of a doubt many, many girls were married and now reside in the US and other countries, I seen it first hand. What you don’t seem to get is your own contrymen and how they treat women here, they date these bar girls and there’s no such thing as a better life it’s a part time life with the girl and no long lasting benefits and no way to prosecute or… Read more »
Sean
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Oh yes Toro, like your politicians could be any more corrupt.

Hyden Toro
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@Mcalleyboy:

You speak English, and you cannot even understand/define self-respect and dignity?

Another imported YellowTard professing to be wise…

mcalleyboy
Guest

Whats happened from 1991-2014? such a huge gap, fill in the blanks and you have your answer or if the sun doesn’t come up it’s the US fault, do you know how to take on any personal responsibility? Define self respect and dignity- to much pride and self respect for others.

TorbsRP
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I have to say that this party list representatives are just a waste of the peoples taxes. As they say…narrow streets breed narrow minds. Its all elementary. The EDCA is there not only for us Filipinos but for the security of the whole region. As it is you think we can defend our nation against country that is for so many years treated us like we don’t exist. The audacity to take over our territory and they claim that it is theirs because of a law they created entitles 3 or nine dot line. They need to know that they… Read more »
phantommagnum
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The EDCA document:

http://www.gov.ph/2014/04/29/document-enhanced-defense-cooperation-agreement/

Read Article XI and even a non lawyer would understand it.

Plebeyo
Guest

I was curious why the lefties hate US so much and I’ve found the answers here:

http://www.philippinerevolution.net/documents/maikling-kurso-sa-lipunan-at-rebolusyong-pilipino

eachhisown
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With exception to those sincere patriots, those blabbermouths against the American military presence in the Philippines are most probably financed by Filipino politicians.

They shout slogans against the Americans but they worship whatever products made in the USA. Despicable hypocrites!

Filipino politicians’ and government officials’ mindset could never enhance the country’s military capabilities because they’re so scared to spend even for school buildings. They prefer to pocket the amount budgeted rather than spend it for the designed purpose.

BJORN
Guest

Someone who understand!!! Outstanding “eachisown”, just outstanding. Maybe you could enlighten some of these guys?

Hyden Toro
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eachhisown:

Filipino politicians were talking about “military modernization”; since I was in the Elementary School. And I was wearing short pants, then…now , I’m married, with a 3-year-old daughter (and wearing long pants); they are still talking about “military modernization”…

I think, they talk about it yearly to make budget for their Pork Barrels; and pocket the money…This include: Aquino, Binay, the Senators,the Congressmen, high government officials…that Budget Chief, and the high ranking Generals…