Truth or Consequence

Apropos the stream of comments generated by my article SYRIAN WAR: MARCOS IN RETROSPECT, I’m prompted to think back on Rashomon, that movie by Akira Kurosawa which won the Best Picture Award in the 1950 Berlin Film Festival onward to winning a similar honor in the Cannes Film Festival.

rashomonRashomon tells the story of a murdered samurai viewed from different angles. Each of these angles claims to be the truth, to be more precise told during the trial by a number of people claiming to be witnesses to the crime. The testimonies contradict one another, making for the difficulty of telling which is true and which is false. This dilemma constituting Rashomon’S theme is what I believe stares us in the face in the current discussion.

Which of the contradictory comments that poured into GRP on account of my article is true and which is false. Each of the comments is not wanting in historical proof.

jcc goes to such great lengths, thank you, citing someone’s account of the EDSA event (I promise to read up on this to get me less ill-informed) to show that orders to shoot the EDSA crowd were given out but that the field commanders refused to carry out those orders.

On the other hand, Andrew reports on a conversation he heard between General Arturo Enrile and somebody in a London Times’ correspondent’s bash in 1995 in which the general, said to be leading the armored column in EDSA, admitted that they were ordered to stop and being the army, they obeyed.

Twenty six years after, therefore, the question continues to hang: Did or did not Marcos order shooting the EDSA crowd?

jcc, again, calls it being “ill-informed” to believe the exchange between AFP Chief Ver and President Marcos was one for real. Johnny Saint agrees, calling it odd that Ver and Marcos should be talking that way on television. “The whole event,” Johnny says, “seems contrivcd – a scripted melodrama, and a bad one at that.”

For her part, sendonggirl, whom Amir Al Bahrs alludes to as “lockness monster” and whom Johnny Derp would rather liken to a “mewling quim” (whatever that means), points out impropriety in comparing a leader to Assad. “Such a low bar hehehehe,” she comments, hardly realizing that “such a low bar” in fact was what people in the 70s – at least Ninoy Aquino and his ilk – were measuring Marcos against already: “Marcos! Hitler! Diktador! Tuta!” So okay with sendonggirl for Ninoy to go low, low to Hitler but never low enough to Assad? And for a final challenge, she prescribes, “compare him to lincoln so we can see.”

So okay, sendonggirl. You asked for it..

Lincoln did self-study of law. Marcos reviewed for bar while in prison. Even Stevens.

Lincoln passed the bar. Marcos topped the bar. Marcos up.

Lincoln lost a number of attempts at winning lower political posts. Marcos never lost an election. Marcos up.

Lincoln went turncoat from Whig Party to Republican Party and won US presidency. Marcos went turncoat from Liberal Party to Nacionalista Party and won Philippine presidency. Even Stevens.

Lincoln was captain of volunteers during the Black Hawk War but, as one account says, saw no combat save for “a good many bloody struggles with the mosquitoes.” Marcos actually fought in battle as a combat intelligence officer for the allied forces in the Philippines during World War 2. Marcos up.

Seven states seceded from the United States during Lincoln’s term. No portion of the nation seceded from the Republic of the Philippines during Marcos’ term. Marcos up. (P.S. Such secession is being contemplated by the current PNoy administration for Mindanao through the Framework of Agreement. History will assign score to PNoy for this.)

The American Civil War broke out during Lincoln’s term. No civil war broke out in Marcos’ term. Marcos up.

Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus and arrested suspected Confederates sympathizers without warrant. Marcos suspended writ of habeas corpus and arrested suspected communists without warrant. Even Stevens.

Lincoln said, “Hold your friends close and your enemies closer.” (Sun Tzu said this first.) Marcos said, “There are no permanent enemies. There are only temporary allies.” Even Stevens enough.

Lincoln said, “A house divided cannot stand.” Marcos said, “This nation can be great again.” Marcos sounds better, or don’t you agree?

Lincoln served for a little more than four years. Marcos served 20 years. Marcos far, far ahead.

So now, sendonggirl, see for yourself how Lincoln and Marcos compare. There is only one area in which Lincoln does one over Marcos. Lincoln was so hated in America that a popular actor assassinated him on April 14, 1865. Marcos was only exiled.

Why is that the case, that is, why exile Marcos? “Because,” says Hayden Toro, “Marcos was against the bases agreement to be extended. Enrile, Ramos and Honasan were just front men of the Americans….”

I’m inclined to believe Hayden. The US military bases agreement was subject to review every five years. When Marcos came into power, he began imposing rental on these installations, the first president ever do so. By 1985, when another review was in the offing, the US must have had enough. Marcos had to go.

In this regard, Teddy Boy Locsin, reacting on Twitter to this same article, contributes a very helpful insight. He cites a meeting between Cory and Philip Habib, special envoy sent by Reagan to intervene in the crisis gripping the nation as a consequence of the presidential snap election. According to Teddy Boy, Cory rejected Habib’s proposal for her to share power with Marcos and declared that if that happened, she would tear the nation. At which, narrates Teddy Boy, Habib stood and told Cory that she will (apropos the comment of Jack, tense is Teddy Boy’s original) win. And as the cliché goes, the rest is history. With EDSA, Cory won.

Now, see how we have meandered through a labyrinth of views which we seem to find a hard time getting out of. In much the same way, Rashomon treats our consciousness to endless juxtapositions of current and past scenes seemingly able to achieve only a grand display of incoherence.

In the opening sequence of Rashomon, a priest and a man (later to be identified as the woodcutter who, by his own testimony, discovers the murdered samurai) are under the ruined gate of Rashomon outside Kyoto, lamenting something which they say they cannot understand. An intruder rushes to the scene, taking shelter from the rain that is pouring hard. He is told of the two’s lament.

Says the priest, “War, earthquake, winds, fire, famine, the plague. Year after year it’s been nothing but disasters. And bandits descend upon us every night. I’ve seen so many men getting killed like insects. But even I have never heard such a story as horrible as this. Yes, so horrible. This time I may finally lose my faith in the human soul.”

What’s more horrible than war, earthquake, winds, fire, famine, the plague? The question prompts you to view the movie on. For all the disasters that had visited the Philippines, the country hasn’t quite had enough?

In the finale, you get the answer: lies.

Cries the woodcutter at the intruder who accuses him of having stolen the precious pearl-inlaid dagger that went missing from the chest of the slain samurai.

“Damn it! Everyone is selfish and dishonest. Making excuses. The bandit, the woman, the man and you!”

Thus the film delivers its powerful message: that nothing is true in the world and that what truth is to people are consequences of things that work to their favor.

Rashomon’s impact precisely lies in its shattering of the hitherto held western belief of the universality of truth – which obviously is what comments in the GRP stream without exception smack of.

We, all of us, always pretend to nobility in our words. But always we betray a gleam, if a tiny one, by which our listeners can look beyond our façades.

What is mine in this instance? An ache wrought by the babies and children getting brutalized in the Syrian civil war. It’s a pain a lot more fundamental than striking up a brave political braggadocio or priding in grammatical perfection.

It’s really just a plain, simple cry: “Please stop the Syrian civil war. Save the babies and children.”

Discussions in Rashomon abruptly stop as an infant’s cry rends the air. The discussants look and discover an abandoned baby, wrapped in an expensive kimono with an amulet left by the baby’s parents obviously to protect it from harm. The three proceed to do each respective concern, The greedy intruder snatches the kimono off the baby then growls at the woodcutter as the latter tries to stop him.

“You selfish…” says the woodcutter.

“What’s wrong with that? Dogs are better off in this world. If you are not selfish, you can’t survive.”

The priest cradles the continuously-crying baby in his arms as the intruder hurries off. The woodcutter asks to have the baby.

“I have six kids of my own. Another one wouldn’t make a difference.”

The priest hands the baby to the woodcutter, whereupon it stops crying. The rain has stopped.

Manifesting a cleansing of spirit inside him, the priest says, “I think I can keep my faith in man.”

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Ilda
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“Ask four guys how it happened and you’ll get four different versions” – from the musical Jersey Boys.

It’s amazing how people see the same thing differently. I guess we all view things from a different angle, which is why we end up having different points of view. It depends also on what social class we belong to. Those who benefit from the current administration for example, see things differently from those who don’t benefit from it.

benign0
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Nassim Taleb in his book Anti-Fragile highlighted the frequent way people embrace a principle in one context but fail to see it and uphold it when encountered in a different context. On one hand, for example, one would cringe at the thought of taking medicine that wasn’t purchased at a reptuable drugstore then on another occasion wouldn’t think twice about popping a recreation drug handed to her by a stranger in a trendy club. Contexts shift, while principles tend to be stable. Anchoring one’s regard for something on principles is often a good way to help mitigate the effects of… Read more »
jcc
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hehehe…. you clearly see the political slant in other people’s view, but totally clueless about your own.. i asked you to google Alfred McCoy, but you wish that we gravitate on your position instead of him, because yours seem to be the unalloyed truth. hehehe…. if i go to a specialist and he told me that i have cancer, i will not go to a general practitioner to tell me that i don’t have a cancer. it is all that there is to it… you are a general practitioner, while i based my position on the basis of the opinion… Read more »
Mauro Gia Samonte
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‘Twas not just a clue, but an unequivocal statement”It’s really just a plain, simple cry: ‘Please stop the Syrian civil war. Save the babies and children.’”

Trosp
Guest
This jcc’s idiotic comment – ” if i go to a specialist and he told me that i have cancer, i will not go to a general practitioner to tell me that i don’t have a cancer. it is all that there is to it… you are a general practitioner, while i based my position on the basis of the opinion of the specialist.” Talagang abogado de patola. If he’s really a lawyer, why is it he can’t even make his point like a lawyer? In his comment – “if i go to a specialist and he told me that… Read more »
jcc
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hehehee… that marcos wanted to exact rentals from the u.s. military bases, that is true but those rentals went directly to his pocket… during the vietnam war, u.s. paid marcos huge sums which did not go to the treasury… the u.s. also gave marcos engineering equipment as part of the financial package and he practically turned them over to disini and cuenca, two of his trusted cronies so they can use them in the construction of roads whose costs added kickbacks given to high-up officials… read bonner, seagrave, primitivo mijares, alfred mccoy, and semprel. hehehehe… one thing you have not… Read more »
Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Lincoln spent $2,000,000 without congressional appropriation. Presumably he spent it for the war, but then no appropriation, no auditing, who knows where the money actually went? That was 1861. How much would that $2,000,000 in Marcos’ time?

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Sorry, read that: “How much would that $2,000,000 have been in Marcos’ time.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Sorry, forgot the question mark. “How much would that $2,000,ooo have been in Marcos’ time?”

jcc
Guest

MGS, you were guilty of oversimplification. Lincoln was never criticised for that executive misstep. ($2 M appropriation without congressional approval). He was admired by historians for taking that step because it was made during war-time and it was necessary to preserve the Union.

What is good preserving the constitution when the Union go bust!

http://millercenter.org/president/lincoln/essays/biography/9

Trosp
Guest

This jcc abogado de patola is guilty of oversimplification – where is your verifiable facts that Marcos pockets the US base rental?

Give us a break!

Idiot…

jcc
Guest

Your article was lifted directly from “Iginuhit ng Tadhana” the propaganda movie of Marcos during the 1965 Presidential elections. And you want to present it as the unvarished truth… please give us a break!

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Tell me about the movie. I never saw it.

Trosp
Guest

@Mauro

This jcc, I can show to the readers I can’t find anything in the blogger’s post that is related to Marcos movie “Iginuhit ng Tadhana”.

If he’s not an idiot, he should cite any part of the blogger’s post that was referenced to that movie.

The blogger’s post BTW is very straightforward IMO. Well written based on commenters’ comments.

On the other hand, I have some reservations that I’ll post later.

I’ve read the post and still reading the comments. I’m counter-commenting as I read the comments.

ChinoF
Member

History is a battleground of perspectives. Even if you were around at the time, so many things are still hidden away from sight. Sometimes, we may never know.

It ends up with where you’re coming from.

Johnny Saint
Guest

ChinoF…no. Historical perspectives are supposed to provide insight. They aren’t supposed to alter facts. If they present an alternative version of recorded historical events, the historian is supposed to provide quantifiable, empirical data. Evidence that can support the thesis. Otherwise, it’s just opinion. Or lies.

Trosp
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I have these two comments – From ChinoF “History is a battleground of perspectives. Even if you were around at the time, so many things are still hidden away from sight. Sometimes, we may never know.” From J. Saint – “Historical perspectives are supposed to provide insight. They aren’t supposed to alter facts. If they present an alternative version of recorded historical events, the historian is supposed to provide quantifiable, empirical data. Evidence that can support the thesis.” I have to agree with ChinoF. Why? It will always defend on who would debunk the historical facts. It would defend on… Read more »
Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Well said… Well said… It has always been my stand that writing history, like reading history, is a class endeavor. Historical events take shape in our consciousness accordingly as we take stands in the class struggle between workers and capitalists.

Johnny Saint
Guest

Do you actually know what happens in the Philippines? “No civil war…?” Have you never heard of Jose Maria Sison and the New People’s Army? Or the Moro National Liberation Front? Nur Misuari? Hashim Salamat? They all started in 1969.

jcc
Guest

hehehe, mccoy consider the hukbalahap uprising, the NPA uprising and the MILF uprising a civil war. but this guy, the general practitioner, consider it not a civil war… but he did not define what a civil war is.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

I didn’t say anything about the Hukbalahap uprising, did I? I was referring to a civil war in Marcos’ term. But will touch on this in my next piece.

jcc
Guest

Please don’t.. You run the risk of confusing your readers further.

Trosp
Guest

And this idiot jcc is confusing everybody here.

My advice to this jcc – go somewhere else where everyone is agreeing with your idiotic posit.

Andrew
Guest
When I read the article, I assumed the comparison between Marcos and Lincoln was “tongue in cheek”. I honestly don’t know enough about the Huks to comment; the NPA, MNLF, MILF and Abu Sayyaf are nearer to my own experience. But a “civil wars”, these groups, whilst murderous enough in all conscience, don’t seem really to have gained enough traction with the masses to turn an armed insurrection into a civil war. It’s not unusual for “guerrilla” groups that don’t achieve their aims to degenerate into “gangsters” – the same thing has happened in Northern Ireland, which indeed has many… Read more »
Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

“Tongue in cheek,” confirmed. Just to accommodate sendonggirl. But what I wrote were facts. You want to read anything else beyond the facts, suits you fine.

Joe
Guest

and have not been all too successful. The American civil war was a good ole fashioned WAR. Fought till the destruction of the enemy in less than 5 yrs. The comparison made here is merely laughable,L-A-U-G-H-A-B-L-E. A scumbag/tyrant,from a ‘banana republic’ compares badly to a humanitarian GIANT/leader of a great nation.
BUT TO BE FAIR the scumbag/tyrants country is a banana-republic, that could have been another Japan if not for the scumbag/tyrant/weasel/rat/thief.
Lincoln was a MAN. an HONORABLE MAN at that. The other guy? Uh…NO.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

That’s what I mean by “reading something else into the bare facts I wrote.” Not my intention really, sorry about that.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Jose Maria Sison and Bernabe Buscayno came together in 1968 at a meeting brokered by Senator Benigno Aquino, Jr. at Hacienda Luisita. Out of that meeting subsequently came into fore the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP)which was established December 26, 1968, and a little later, the New People’s Army, founded March 29, 1969.

No hindsight on the rest; not privy to them.

As to civil war, I decide to delete my view on it. Too long it can make for another piece. I’m beginning to like this exercise.

Johnny Saint
Guest

Will wait for it.

As far as the official stand of the Philippine government goes — both the NPA and MNLF are rebel groups. Among western democracies, both are classified as terrorist organisations.

jcc
Guest

Please read Nick Joaquin’s “The Aquinos of Tarlac.” You were mouthing a Marcos propaganda line that Aquino was a communist.

Trosp
Guest

This idiot jcc wold like to make the comment readers feel inferior if they haven’t read a certain book.

Why can’t this idiot cite what’s in the book that is related to the discussion and credit it to that book?

Why he would make this insinuation –

“”Please read Nick Joaquin’s “The Aquinos of Tarlac”.”

Iba kasi nga ang dating…

This idiot jcc is special and we’re ordinary.

jcc
Guest
MGS, I have no idea why you posted the report that Ninoy had a meeting with JOMA and Buscayno in 1968, and thereafter, the CPP and NPA were organized. It gave us the impression that Ninoy was involved in organization of the CPP/NPA.I said please read “The Aquinos of Tarlac”, because Nick Joaquin explained that Bernabe and other “rebels” were mostly Pampanga-Tarlac based and it was difficult for a politician in the area to ignore their presence. But to suggest that the meeting was clandestine, devilish, and for the purpose of undermining the republic was far from the truth. Even… Read more »
Trosp
Guest

Pinakyaw mo na namang lahat.

They did not all started in 1969.

Trosp
Guest

This is a counter-comment to J. Saint’s.

“Do you actually know what happens in the Philippines? “No civil war…?” Have you never heard of Jose Maria Sison and the New People’s Army? Or the Moro National Liberation Front? Nur Misuari? Hashim Salamat? They all started in 1969.”

Trosp
Guest

J.Saint

Disregard this comment. It was accidentally sent to be posted. I was still composing my counter-comment when that happened.

To be honest, I’ve composed all my comments in this blog after I’ve arrived home from my usual Friday gimmick time.

Johnny Saint
Guest
From MGS’ earlier comment which acknowledged what I stated: “…Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP)which was established December 26, 1968, and a little later, the New People’s Army, founded March 29, 1969.” The Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) was founded in 1969 following the events of 18 March 1968, popularly known as the “Jabidah massacre,” by Nur Misuari. Misuari was a student and lecturer at the University of the Philippines in the 1960s. As an student activist he worked with Jose Maria Sison’s Kabataang Makabayan. Hashim Salamat, was studying for his doctorate at the Al-Azhar Islamic University when he returned… Read more »
Jack
Guest
” Lincoln was so hated in America that a popular actor assassinated him on April 14, 1865.” You said. Well, Booth was a Confederate spy. The slave states declared their seccesion and formed the Confederate States. They lost the war, they had reason to hate the man who defeated them and abolished slavery. Slavery reflected the nature of the economy and culture of the South. Is the comparison of Marcos to Abe Lincoln meant to be a joke? Not sure the Rashomon effect can used on this one. (BTW, these were the most obvious sour notes I was referring to… Read more »
Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

So you suppose I DID INTENDED TO USED “threw” but my fingers slipped and pounded “thrown” instead. Oh, well, accidents do happen, but rest assured that the Rashomon effect CAN USED ON THIS ONE (caps mine). What was it that Jesus said: Let him who has no sin cast the first stone.

Jack
Guest

No accident there, had the writer done an edit then he would surely have thrown his first draft into the waste can.

Had the writer seriously cared for his readers, he would surely have taken the time to re-read his draft.

I hope you realize the above sentences are mere examples.

Trosp
Guest

@Jack

One of the things I have to clarify with the poster if he really knows what he’s blogging.

Jack
Guest
I’m not sure the blogger, who wrote the article, actually understands what he has written. It could be he is trapped in his own Rashomon effect. That’s his prerogative. Hard to leave unnoticed was his comparison of Lincoln and Marcos. It really is like comparing the Earth with Pluto. Sure they are both planets. Sure some gasses may be present in both, sure they belong to the same solar system, but then it stops. The differences are glaring and obvious. No need to confuse anyone with a Rashomon Effect. Sure Marcos has his stone-face monument somewhere in the Philippines and… Read more »
Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Is this addressed to me, Trosp?

Trosp
Guest

Yes.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Absolutely yes. The two articles I have contributed so far are really just an iota of the volumes of writings I have done in my life. I should know whereof I speak, thank you.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Oh, by the way, should you be interested, please visit Infantile Disorder http://infantile-dissorder.blogspot.com. My novel SHOES OF THE TRAVELER has begun serializing there. Thank you.

jcc
Guest

i am right now in another place and away from my library… i will quote extensively from the books of alfred mccoy, sterling seagrave, raymond bonner, primitivo mijares, and william rempel, the myth about marcos, once i get back home.

i will recommend to readers here to pay particular attention to Alfred McCoy’s three books, Closer Than Brothers, Policing America’s Empire and Anarchy of Families. They are very informative and can remove lots of our blinders.

http://www.amazon.com/Anarchy-Families-Philippines-Perspectives-Studies/dp/029922984X

Trosp
Guest

This idiot is telling us again the books that he has read and we must also read!

Idiot!

jcc
Guest

trosp, for once argue with your brain

trosp,

please for once argue with your brain not with your rectum..

Trosp
Guest

I don’t have time with you, idiot. I’m not addressing my comments to you but to the comment readers.

Just read again you comments. No substance. Puro pagyayabang abogado de patola.

Joe
Guest
Did this article attempt to compare Ferdidnand Marcos to Abraham Lincoln? Is that what I just read? if so, it is laughable, a true apple and oranges comparison. One was elected and NEVER turned tyrannical scumbag dictator and was murdered. the other was elected, bought influence anywhere he could, imposed marshal law on his own people, putting them in figurative shackles, and became a tyrannical scumbag-thief and was not murdered. Not to mention they were living in completely different times/centuries/circumstances. The comparison is laughable. The tyrant is not featured on any currency, and last reported(?), can not be buried with… Read more »
Felipe
Guest

@Joe

The comparison was suggested by one of GRP’s fierce critics, sendonggirl (here). Of course, the author simply accomodated, as most authors here usually do however ludicrous their critics tend to be.

ImpalerTriumphant
Guest

Now how could someone project Lincoln to be the better guy than Marcos? Just because he gave freedom to slaves?

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

In fact Lincoln did not liberate the slaves of the south. From the cotton fields, African Americans became open season for the new emerging class of oppressors and exploiters. What were they? Marx called them capitalists. One account goes to such length as declaring that Lincoln did not free the slaves on any moral ground but on the imperatives of the economic development of the United States. Capitalism was on the rise, but who would work in the industries if the Negroes were not released from their bondage to slave masters of the South?

ImpalerTriumphant
Guest

Ah, so it happens that many American textbooks have twisted history in such a way that Lincoln was seen as someone who is good to slaves, top it that with the truth that Lincoln actually hated blacks.

-__-

jcc
Guest
Marcos, other than his being a bar topnotcher, (which is true), had weaved one horrendous myth that he descended from Maharlika nobles destined to rule the islands. His progeny, struggles and war-exploits by Hartzel Spence’s, “For Every Tear A Victory” is cinematic and full of make-believe – and superhuman exploits… Lincoln did not hire a publicist to write his own propaganda. Historians who came after him described him as an ordinary man, with weakness and foibles and even depressions. In fact no one claims that he is a superhuman. He was simply a simple man with principle. But monuments were… Read more »
Joe
Guest

The facts are twisted by revisionist history. Lincoln wanted, at the time, to give ‘negroes’ their own state. He did ’emancipate’ the slaves, that is an undeniable fact, and pissed one two many people off, which led to his being set-up to be murdered which is another story altogether.
THE comparison, however, remains COMPLETELY LAUGHABLE.

Trosp
Guest

To this idiot jcc –

“Lincoln did not hire a publicist to write his own propaganda.”

And during Lincoln’s time, who are the persons hiring a publicist to write a propaganda?

LA702
Guest
@ Mauro G S So what’s the big deal about the Rashomon effect? It happens everytime in sports. Watch an “NBA” game and Rashomons happen every second of the game. Three referees calling 3 different violations, looking at 3 different angles the instant replay becomes the final arbiter. I don’t see any comparison between Lincoln and Marcos. Lincoln was a liberator of black slaves and was assasinated for that reason. Marcos was a master forger, a murderer, a thief…this generation and future generation of Filipinos are suffering and paying for his greed. My conclusion: a no-brainer subject…total nonsense. LOL!!!
Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest
Fyi, this one’s been lifted from Lincoln’s biography. “He supported the Whig politics of government-sponsored infrastructure and protective tariffs. This political understanding led him to formulate his early views on slavery, not so much as a moral wrong, but as an impediment to economic development.” In 1857, the US Supreme Court declared that African Americans were not citizens and had no inherent rights. Abraham Lincoln agreed with the decision since it was his feeling that African Americans were not equal to whites.But as to Negroes having certain inalienable rights, he spelled it all out in his speech at Gettysburg in… Read more »
jcc
Guest
MGS, I am floored by your lack of depth. You read one line about Lincoln and draw kilometric conclusions about his lacking in moral authority to talk about “negro equality.’ Dred Scott decision was promulgated in 1857 by a divided court. Lincoln was not convinced of the wisdom of the decision so in June 1957 he delivered a scathing speech about it. “How differently the respective courses of the Democratic and Republican parties incidentally bear on the question of forming a will-a public sentiment-for colonization, is easy to see. The Republicans inculcate, with whatever of ability they can, that the… Read more »
jcc
Guest

I mean the speech piercing the Dred Scott decision was made in June 1857, not 1957.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest
I clicked on the link you provided and honest, that’s what got me floored. Gosh, you went thru that much read just to react to my little comment. If you notice, I was not giving an opinion. I was merely stating facts. That in 1857 he agreed with the Scott decision that being his feeling at the time. But in 1865, he was expressing contrary views and he was already President at the time. Of course I added, a politician, still a fact. Only point here: you speak depending on where you stand. As to stature and such other similar… Read more »
jcc
Guest

MGS, Please read again. The link I provided about the June 1857 speech of Lincoln was critical about the Dred Scott decision. That was the year the decision was promulgated. It gave lie to your position that Lincoln acquiesced on the decision. He was very much against it.

Trosp
Guest

@Mauro

I could fault you with comparing Marcos and Lincoln. Your partly correct but mostly wrong.

Your below comment will not hold water –

‘So okay, sendonggirl. You asked for it..’

That’s why his jcc is exploiting it.

That jcc is an idiot.

Don’t waste your time with him.

jcc
Guest

oh, you’ve got everything wrong in your comparison between marcos and lincoln…. and you were stating ‘facts’ with glucomic vision… my friend. 🙂

LA702
Guest

@ Mauro G S

You lifted a portion of the Lincoln biography for what? Did Lincoln order the emancipation of the black slaves or not? That was his legacy…Period.

Rashomon is simply a mental image or a perception, and as you quoted quite clearly that at the first line in the movie it said: “I don’t understand?” Shame on you for calling yourself an essayist, a nobelist, a film writer and a director and not understand what you are talking about.

Dude
Guest

@LA702

Just because you don’t agree with Mauro’s views doesn’t mean he can’t call himself an essayist, a novelist and a filmmaker. Just in case you didn’t know, here’s some information about him: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0759988/

You obviously lack the brains to understand topics above your comprehension skill.

LA702
Guest

@ Dude

Are you Mauro Gia Samonte’s babysitter? I don’t waste my time responding to stupid babysitters. Is that clear?

Dude
Guest

@LA702

Hehe…do you realise that you just responded to me? And no, I am not his babysitter. I just Googled his name. You should do that too before attacking someone.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest
Appreciate your concern, Dude, but I don’t think that was necessary. It’s really out of the question who I am, what I’ve done, things like that. What’s important are the words a man speaks. They mirror his character, his soul, the ideals he’d die for. If there is one thing you and LA702, everybody for that, need to know about me, it is that you are talking to a 71-year-old who has spent the best years of his life fighting battles in pursuit of a dream to see in his lifetime the effacement of exploitation of man by man. Maybe… Read more »
Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

It’s not I who said, “I don’t understand.” It’s the film’s message, intended to be the attitude of all of us. After all, Aristotle said: “The apex of all knowing is to know that you know nothing.” Unless you are an exception, in which case, sorry.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest
Honestly, jcc, I admire your intellect. I can see that you are a splendidly well-read man. The insights you provide above on Lincoln smacks of a man speaking from his principles. One reason I cited Rashomon is that its concept of truth is universal, and I haven’t come across a philosophy by any western thinker similar to it. So maybe we can draw from the lesson of the movie by which differing opinions may perhaps strike up some kind of a modus vivendi, rather than, as Teddy Boy Locsin quotes Camus to Sartre, “throwing corpses at each other just to… Read more »
jcc
Guest

MGS,

Bill Gates has popularized this concept in one of his program applications in explaining how smooth is a table. To a naked eye, the table surface is very smooth, seen outside with the bright sunlight over it, the table appears not too smooth; seen using a magnifying glass, the table is so rough…

You don’t need a Western philosopher to determine that truth is relative, but almost everyone will agree that we would want to see the truth using a magnifying glass.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Frankly, my dear, at my age of 71, I still don’t what truth is. So I wouldn’t know where to use your magnifying glass. I thought you said truth is relative. So would you know where to focus your magnifying glass?

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Read that: I still don’t know what truth is.”

Trosp
Guest

Don’t be bothered by this idiot jcc. I can still pick out his previous comments on how idiot he is.

jcc
Guest

It has nothing to do with the object we called “truth.” It is on the beholder who insists that he sees the truth through his naked eye, while ideally, we should look at it with our magnifying lens.

Trosp
Guest

This from idiot jcc!

“It has nothing to do with the object we called “truth.” It is on the beholder who insists that he sees the truth through his naked eye, while ideally, we should look at it with our magnifying lens.”

It’s a hara-kiri for him he he he he.

Truth?

He’s a fact challenged dud.

Silaar
Guest

Wow. Madalang lang ako makakita ng non-hostile comment in almost a year kong pag silent read sa blog na ito at ito ang una kong post. Its off-topic I know, I just can’t help to comment about the author’s response. Pasensya na, wala akong alam about sa rules sa argument or whatever. 🙂

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Not rules really. Just that very elementary guidepost for human relations: good manners and right conduct.

Trosp
Guest

Simple rule –

Intellectual honesty.

Trosp
Guest

I’m very rude to those intellectual dishonest commenter specially jcc.

Pinakagagong comment poster here. Tinalo pa si fishball.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Some people might be reaching orgasm indulging in intellectual masturbation. Give it to them.

jcc
Guest

just stick to the issues MGS…. if there was one who was having an orgasmic intellectual discourse, it was your discourse on Rashomon.. 🙂

LA702
Guest

@ Mauro G S

I think you are proving to be a worthy contributor to this blog by the number of responses to your article. You deserve an applause for that because every minute spent by a reader or a commenter at GRP increases their “Alexa Rank,” and that is good.

However, I think as a contributor you, Mauro, should not run away from “hard hitting” commenters like @ Trosp or JCC. Look at GRP as a playground for wholesome discourse. Nothing personal. You know what I mean?

Trosp
Guest

LA,

I like Mauro’s style.

But don’t ever compare me with this idiot jcc in any other way imaginable.

That dud is a dud.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Well taken, LA702. love that:”playground for wholesome discourse.” As the catchline in one of my blogs proclaims, “Let a hundred flowers bloom, a thousand thoughts blooms.”
On running away, far-fetched from my mind. But I must observe decorum and refrain from rectal language. Smells fart.

Mauro Gia Samonte
Guest

Please read that: “…a thousand thoughts blossom.”

LA702
Guest

@ Trosp

LOL…Of course not. You are relentless to the point of annoying. You know what I mean?

Trosp
Guest
@LA Well, annoying commenters with whom I have exchanges of pleasantries is the least of my worries. But then, I don’t have the intention of annoying them. I’ve worked as an engineer for so long where the environment, for some would look like we’re bunch of irritating people because we don’t stop until we can support our conclusion with data (calculations, validations, replications, etc.). One of our favorite methodology is the “5 Whys”. “The 5 Whys is a simple problem-solving technique that helps you to get to the root of a problem quickly. Made popular in the 1970s by the… Read more »
jcc
Guest
Now, I am back at home, as promised, i will quote extensively from books that Marcos was not a patriot but a scoundrel. “But the focus of the testimony was Vietnam, and members of Congress now, learned for the first time that Washington had been secretly paying the Marcos government in exchange for his sending Filipinos to Vietnam. At least $39 million was spent by the United States to equip, train, and pay the Philippines Civic Action Group (Philcag) in Vietnam. That testimony or at least some of it was made public. When it was, Marcos issued an emphatic denial:… Read more »
jcc
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Marcos a War-time intelligence officer and a well-decorated hero… FACT of FICTION.. Forty years after the end of World War II, the war’s history had thus become one of the most sensitive issues in Philippine politics. At the start of the 1986 presidential campaign, speakers in the president’s entourage hailed him as the greatest Filipino military hero. The ruling KBL party distributed a Filipino language comic book titled Batang Matapang (Courageous Youth),—its first page showing a young Lieutenant Marcos blazing away with a machine gun, muscular shoulders dripping Rambo-like with ammo belts, and its last frame picturing him at the… Read more »
jcc
Guest
“ Garcia had only recently quit as assistant administrator for public affairs of the Social Security System in disgust over the misuse by Marcos of the facilities of the system. Garcia had denounced the use for one year in 1968 and 1969 by Marcos (in his reelection campaign) of 50 brand new Toyota jeeps of the SSS, which the institution purchased from a corporation controlled by a Marcos front man, the Delta company, and of the printing press of the system. The SSS press was operated at night by personnel of the National Media Production Center for printing black propaganda… Read more »
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