Why I Think The Catholic Church In The Philippines Is Doing More Harm Than Good

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The Catholic Church in the Philippines has become one of the largest institutions in our country. One can even say that it had a hand in the way our country came to be all those centuries ago when the Spanish first came to our shores. However, what I can’t help but notice is how the Church still seems to have considerable control over the Philippines both in political and social terms. Look, I think I’ve mentioned before that in other countries, the Catholic Church is happy to take the backseat and be a kind of moral adviser to the people rather than a governing body that can somehow still influence the government and people according to its whim.

Over the years, I’ve had a growing number of issues with the local branch of the Catholic Church and I’m not going to hide it anymore. Truth be told, I think I’ve already published a good number of articles that openly attack the Church what with their shenanigans here in the Philippines. But as of late, I’m afraid I can no longer hold back what with the news I’ve been hearing of lately.

Okay, there has been a reported increase of HIV positive people in the Philippines. HIV, ladies and gentlemen, is nothing to laugh at. It is a dangerous disease and what cure there is for it is extremely expensive and will probably be out of reach for majority of our citizenry. But what does the local Catholic Church tell us?

“Ooh, contraceptives are bad because you’re getting in the way of God’s plan!”

I have never heard of anything more ridiculous in my life!

I mean yes, there are those who say that the Church won’t allow for the use of contraceptives in order to encourage our youths to be more “responsible”. The problem here is that shouldn’t it be up to parents to teach their children on how to be responsible? Besides, isn’t properly planning one’s family actually more “responsible” than simply letting them be and risk letting them get STDs like HIV or simply breed like rabbits?

I seriously don’t know anymore…

What’s worse is that if the Church was serious about making our people moral and responsible, why is it the MTRCB which is also largely supported by the Church not willing to put a stop to over-romantic media in the Philippines which only further encourages the youths to copulate and fornicate like there’s no tomorrow. Now they say they removed anime from local TV channels because the former allegedly contains immoral elements that they don’t want children to see. While this may be true as shows like Tenjho Tenge and Air Gear aren’t things we want our youths to see, are the shows they replaced them with any better? Are the many teleseryes whose central theme is forbidden and obsessive love any better than anime with explicit images and themes?

You guys tell me!

It would be more believable if they replaced afternoon anime with educational programs like Epol Apple, Sineskwela and Math Tinik

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marius
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I’m not sure if braindead teleseryes encourage teenagers to fornicate. They’ll do that regardless, without any encouragement. But yeah, the Catholic Church, presiding over one of the most immoral nations on the planet. This is a country where thieving, prostitution, or child abuse are considered solid career choices, defrauding your family is so normal that it’s actually legal, and murder is an accepted solution for resolving disputes. Got to be something amiss there, right? Catholicism in the Philippines is a horrible corruption of a basically enlightened religion (Christianity). All the good bits have been repurposed for nefarious ends (eg., the… Read more »
D.
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Can’t say it better

Kebb
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Hahaha…. I pity your understanding….

Ngek Ngek
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When Teddy “Dirty Finger” Locsin (Cory’s spokesperson and speechwriter[he made Cory’s speech before the US Congress] ) revealed in his program Karambola together with Jonathan dela Cruz 2 or 3 years ago that Namfrel’s JoeCon deliberately stopped the quick count at 80% because the Cory group were so afraid the the votes coming from the provinces would overcome Cory’s lead, it confirmed the suspicion of not a few that indeed the Catholic Church hierarchy in conspiracy with the Cory group were cooking something sinister- to remove Marcos at all cost no matter how bloody.

Aphetsky Lasa
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As long as the Filipinos believe that the Bishops and Priests and Nuns are infallible, the Catholic Church will always have considerable control over the Philippines both in political and social terms.”

Kebb
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Oh my….. Try to study 1st….. So that you dont look like a dumb ass…… Infallible? Try to read what the catholic is teachings….

Baylee
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I’m Catholic but I’m at least honest enough to acknowledge of the inconsistency of Catholicism. What they have in orthodoxy ( fundamental doctrines) contradicts so highly in their orthopraxy (practice of doctrines)

marius
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Contradicts the Bible too.

But hey, as long as you use some big words, that makes it all OK!

Filipinos: doing as they’re told like good little slaves since 1521.

Kitty Bunag Panis
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Church create this possible christian books:
– Authority of Vatican and the Home Church
– The 10 Commandments
– Are we dust since God
– “Thou Shall no Have other Gods Before Me”
– Mary and Jesus
– What is Salvation?
– Are We Born To Die?
Sino Ako?
– Ang Diyos at ang Makasalanan
Ang Templo ng Diyos
– Ang Sampung Utos
– Ang Kabilang Buhay
– Ang Sandalyas ni Hesus
— Ang Pulubi at ang Mayaman- Ang pagibig sa kapwa

424Hyden007Toro99878.999
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424Hyden007Toro99878.999
I do not believe in Organized Religions. They are the cause of our wars, hatred, prejudices, terrorism, slavery, brainwashing of people, etc… The Churches in Organized Religions become rich. While their members are poor… The Roman Catholic Church has phedophile priests, who were convicted in court of law. In our country, the Priest, Bishops, Archbishops, are politicized and are active in supporting political parties. They support the Aquino Cojuangco political axis, who are Feudal Oligarchs , like themselves ! What has happened to their duties, to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ ? They are the Jewish Parishees of this… Read more »
Ngek Ngek
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@424Hyden007Toro99878.999. Any religion can be into politics as long as its dogma is open to rational criticism. Anyone can create its own religion as long as it can attract followers and not coerce them to believing. This world is free and an open society. The problem with religion is simply its leaders think they are preaching absolute eternal truths. The obligation of the intellectual is to demolish these absolute eternal truth peddled by these religious leaders in the open market of ideas. Only one rule of conduct that approximately absolute eternal truth which is universally accepted, that is, the practice… Read more »
212Hyden007Toro9999.999
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212Hyden007Toro9999.999

@Ngek Ngek:

Okay tit for tat, not tit for tit !

How about the Church of Satan.

In the State of Florida, U.S.A….some Devil Worshipers, placed a Satanic Symbol, next to a Manger Scene (Belen)… maybe these Satanists, can be in politics , also.

I think , in the Philippines, with the quality of the leaders, we have: they are already in Philippine politics !

Do you agree ?

Robert Haighton
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Ngek Ngek,

“Do not do unto others what you do not others done on you.”

How does one know how others want to be treated? The obvious way is to ask them, but this cannot be done if one assumes they have not reached a particular and relevant understanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule#Criticism_of_the_Golden_Rule

Ngek Ngek
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@Robert Haigton I have read your link. But to make it clear there are two version of the Golden Rule, the positive and the negative. The positive is indeed dangerous as seen by Kant and other philosophers. A suicide bomber for Allah should be eliminated from the start because he brings you to heaven or hell without your consent. For these terrorists, the Putin Way is the only way ! When Pakistan reimposed its death penalty on heinous crimes, suicide bombings tremendously decrease. When Putin became more brutal to Chechnya separatists acts of terrorism on Russian soil, Russian supremacy on… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Ngek, All the countries you mention, are countries I never want to live in. But thats another conversation (discussion) and ergo is outside the scope of the article. Personally, the expression (golden rule) flies a bit over my head (both positive and negative). The golden rule translates for me like things I encounter here (GRP) quite often. Many people here say: “I respect your view”, “I respect your religion” and then the conversation ends. It kills all conversation(s). Shouldnt people (try to) convince me that I am wrong when I say and do stupid things? The truth may hurt a… Read more »
Ngek Ngek
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@Robert Haighton I participate in this kind of discussion not to aim to win over anybody to my side but to test my idea or an idea I picked up somewhere if it is nearer to the truth than another’s. I believe any open-minded reasonable reader would judge for himself which idea (supposedly better to his standard) he will eventually adopt, and once adopted as his own will try to test it with other ideas. I believe that a theory/idea/belief/assertion/conjecture/claim is corroborated not by supporting facts but by the absence of refuting facts. Of course, to claim perfection or possession… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Ngek, I do agree with you. I am sure I sometimes have a narrow-minded/close-minded vision/view about certain topics (e.g. letting transgenders use any toilet they want). ‘Of course, to claim perfection …’ I will never say/claim I am perfect but I strive for perfection. I can not simply tolerate my own flaws and do nothing about them. As if they cant be changed. I do not believe in something called ‘eternal absolute truth’. Outcomes do change. Even within science. Finally, I am always open for other persons’s opinions especially in fields I am not good at/in. PS: have a blast… Read more »
d_forsaken
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Hurt is a bruise on the outside. Harm is a bruise on the inside.

The first law of nature is self-preservation. Cut off that which may harm you. But if it is worth preserving, and is meaningful, nourish it and have no regrets. Ultimately, this is true living and love of self…from within.

555Hyden007Toro9999.9999
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555Hyden007Toro9999.9999
@Robert Haighton : Let us respect each other’s beliefs. What is food to you may be poison to me ! We have all individual differences. And, we have to respect these individual differences, also. Nobody is perfect, except God (if you believe in a God)…I believe, we are here on this Planet Earth, to perfect ourselves. Pres Elect Donald J. Trump will be inaugurated on January 20, 2017. That day, will begin his administration. Pres Trump, promised, a lot of things, to the American voters. It remains to be seen, if these promises will be fulfilled, for the good of… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Dear Hyden, I dont have to respect anyone’s belief nor religion. Because it is stupid to respect people who believe in fairytales and myths. But hey, I have got news for you: I wont kill you for that stupidity. I can not imagine that ‘my’ bread, butter and cheese is your poison. You may not like bread, butter and cheese but its certainly for nobody poison. ‘Nobody is perfect, except God (if you believe in a God)…I believe, we are here on this planet earth, to perfect ourselves.’ No, I dont believe in a god. It would be an insult… Read more »
006Hyden007Toro9999.999
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006Hyden007Toro9999.999
@Robert Haighton: I can believe, that the Moon is made of Cheese; and howl at the moon…and, it is nobody’s business. What works for you; may not work for me. I was brought up as a Filipino. You were brought up as a Dutch… Anyway, I don’t like Dutch Cheese. You may had feasted on Dutch Cheese. However, no matter, how I try, I cannot eat it ! I am allergic to Dutch Cheese ! Give Pres. Trump, a chance to prove himself…will you ? You maybe a Grinch…I am surprised you greeted me : Happy Xmas and very prosperous… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Then try some cheddar cheese.

‘I was brought up as a Filipino. You were brought up as a Dutch.’
I do have a Dutch passport and my mother’s tongue is Dutch, but I dont consider myself to be Dutch. You can burn the Dutch national flag and I wont get angry about it. I am not that patriotic and a nationalist. It scares the hell out of me to be one.

efren supanga
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Why is the RCChurch and its clergy not paying taxes? She owns and runs bis businesses and so expensive schools and hospitals, etc. Please initiate the proper moves for their eventual taxation, sit.

4DSakeOfDCountry
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True, if they are meddling in politics(w/c they shouldnt)they gotta pay tax…

They got schools(used to brainwash students and turn them into hypocrites so becareful/if possible dont enroll your kids runned by priests/nuns).

They got 3rd party shares in businisses like mining, etc.

222Toro007Hyden99999.999
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222Toro007Hyden99999.999

@Robert Haighton:

Whatever you want to be is none of my business…

If you don’t want to be a Dutch, and is afraid to be one…so be it.

However, you cannot jump out of your nationality as a Dutch…the same way, I cannot jump out of my own skin !

Okay, let us settle this: let us say , you are an Extra Terrestrial, from the Constellation: Sirius…deal or no deal ?

Robert Haighton
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Dear Hyden, I know you dont like me and I know you dont like what I stand for. Thats all okay. I wont and dont kill you for it and I certainly dont hate you for that. ‘If you don’t want to be a Dutch, and is afraid to be one…so be it. However, you cannot jump out of your nationality as a Dutch…the same way, I cannot jump out of my own skin!’ What I mean(t) to say is this (and I said it somewhere else in another GRP article to someone else). Even though one is living in… Read more »
898Hyden007Toro999.999
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898Hyden007Toro999.999
@Robert Haighton: I like every blogger in the GRP. I don’t like :the trolls; the YellowTards and the deceitful/hypocritical bloggers, who pretend to know everything. I like you…you are a pragmatist. I am a realist pragmatist. We differ in viewpoints, like religion. You are an Atheist. I am a Christian, who don’t believe in Organized Religion. My religion are the teachings of Jesus Christ and Humanity ! I am from a third world country. However, I work and was educated in the university level in a first world country, like the U.S.A. Let us say, I raised the “bar” of… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Dear Thaddeus, you keep on blaming the church. Why? I dont get aids/hiv because of a church, I do get it because I myself am doing stupid things. It is 2016, the information is out there. You cant get away with it by blaming the church (or TV series). Its about time you start to get angry at your fellow country men and women. The church will defend its own preachings for centuries to come. Do you really expect them to say: ‘Okay guys, you can use all kinds of contraceptions”? Do you really think, they will allow gay/lesbian church… Read more »
Red
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The sooner people will stop listening to the church, the sooner they will lose power. Easier said than done. Considering that the Catholic Church here in the Philippines insist in shoving their teachings down young Filipinos’ tiny and easily manipulated throats. Yes, we as adults are free to make decisions based on facts easily accessible through the internet. But if we grew up in an environment where the church and its teachings were deemed as necessities in your everyday life, it’s hard to shake that off in your adulthood. I was lucky enough to grow up with a secular father.… Read more »
marius
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This place already looks like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Amir Al Bahr
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Just looks? I thought already is.

Ponse
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The church has a very deep influence in Filipino life. That is why Filipinos cannot just stop listening to them. This organization has been with us for centuries thus an integral part of Filipino culture. Also the problem with you atheists, many of you act like you know the actual truth thus have an arrogant conviction no different from a religious fanatic. Have your studied and understand square inch of objective reality? The truth is none of us have the answers and know very little of this universe. Lacking objective data yet proclaiming they know the truth shows that you… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Dear Ponse, I am in no way in search of the truth. The truth brings me nowhere. All I need to know is that 1 + 1 = 2 (and sometimes its 3, also called synergy). Am I preaching atheism? God forbid, no. I would miserably fail in doing so. But a little bit more criticism wont hurt anybody. Now you make it sound like that everybody in your country are blind followers. That will keep the church as powerfull as it always has been. Now, personally, I dont expect the church to change. So the change has to come… Read more »
Ponse
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The Catholic Church really need to clean up their own house. Seriously. I have personally sponsored the education of several very poor children, many of them ended up wanting to become Clergy. Alright. I preferred them to become engineers or accountants (we need more of those here in the Philippines) but heck I let them pick their vocation. Priest can do a lot of good too I guess. After several years in the seminary (all the 5 boys I sponsored are from different seminaries around the Philippines) all of them would lament to me the unChristlike attitudes and hijinks of… Read more »
xxx
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i knew someone who left the seminary because he personally witnessed fornication between priests and nuns.

Kebb
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Well they are just humans and the temptations are morethan yours….
Its normal but the church will still prevail…

Baylee
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And you’re another apologist to evil I guess. Why don’t you call out and expose these evil people? Why are you trying to defend what they do? Is that Christ like? Christ would never excuse the self righteous hypocrisy of his followers. You know excusing them would let your churches die right? You’d make more apostates than gaining followers.

Robert Haighton
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Dear Thaddeus, You once said here that you are a nurse. So, I take it that you – of all people – know how we do get hiv/aids and STDs/STIs. And its not even a rocket science. So how – on this god’s green earth – can you blame the church and TV series? You should know better and stop blaming and stop criticizing the church. We people do it upon ourselves. We have reckless sex (not using contraceptives); We use dirty and used needles (for injecting drugs). So, I dont see any church or TV series in this equation.… Read more »
marius
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Robert, you kinda miss the point. 80%+ of Filipinos assert that they are “Catholics”. What this means in practice is that they’ll do whatever the Church tells them to do. Filipinos are compliant, gullible people amyway; throw religion or God in the mix and you’ve got total control. Catholicism was pretty much invented for that very purpose – and stunningly successful it’s been, too. About the only thing most Filipinos can quote about their religion is “go forth and multiply”, because that’s virtually the only thing the CC is endlessly blathering about. I suppose the CC must have mentioned the… Read more »
4DSakeOfDCountry
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Robert please dont force/compare your country’s values to PH as they are totally different…

PH is a 3rd world country thanks to the Yellows and their compatriots in 1986 that includes the church(CBCP) led by the greatest “SINNER” Cardinal Sin who wants the country kept as a 3rd world while they sat/enjoy their luxurious lives at the expense of the people of the country.

Robert Haighton
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4,
Excuse me? My country doesnt have values. So, I am forcing nothing.

4DSakeOfDCountry
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Robert, what I’m trying to say is that your country is far ahead than with a stucked up 3rd world country PH so it’s not worth comparing… Right now the current President is fixing things up to cope/atleast keep up with current world developments but comes the Hypocrite PH Catholic Church(CBCP) detrimenting the government(politicizing) rather than teach the people God’s Teachings together with their ally Yellows. In PH Catholic Churches are “politicaly” used to brainwash people, they promote hate and rebelion rather than forgiveness and peacefulness far opposite than what God and his Apostles Preached. They don’t even pay taxes… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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4, ” … your country is far ahead …” I dont know if you followed my comments here, but that same 55 year old pinay said to me that ‘my country is wrong’ when I updated her about the laws in my country. So, its about how one looks at it, right? Having said that, those liberal laws were not given. My parents and their parents fought for those ‘rights’. They protested and marched to the government building and demanded change. I dont see that happen in PH anywhere soon. “the current President is fixing things up to cope…” Your… Read more »
4DSakeOfDCountry
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That is the problem with some Filipino’s, they lack critical thinking/logic even in religious belief to which they easily get swayed by the corrupt priests in PH. Ever since the invasion of PH by Imperialist Spaniards , the church has been used as means of “Propaganda” and “Mind Control” even upto now they are basically against the Government’s changes in Certain Policies(like decreasing over population or spread of sexual related deseases specially HIV), EJK?(seriously the government itself would never order it unless they are ninja/scalawag Polices), Hate, Rebelion, Activism(seriuosly they are making those churc followers disobey the Law and disgrace… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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4, I cant help but notice that many people here keep on blaming 3rd parties: – the corrupt priests – a lot of oppositions With all that in mind, I would really start being suspicious of everything and be a lot more cautious when it comes to my own life. But what I see in your country, is exactly the opposite (increasing cases of HIV, increasing cases of teenage pregnancies, increasing cases of procreation among people who cant really afford it. Its funny that you mention all that. My ‘loving’ 55 year old pinay also said to me the following:… Read more »
WILD MAN
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Sure they do, you just don’t like them or refuse to see them.

Robert Haighton
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Marius, I wished I was missing the point(s) bec then I could tell you ‘my apologies, Marius, you’re right’ but I am not missing the point at all. People have to learn to doubt religion, doubt the bible, doubt the church, its leaders (incl the vatican) and then start going their own way. A bible doesnt give any practical solutions. It will keep people dumb and ignorant. But thats not what I read here in GRP by our so beloved friend Grimwald. So Grimwald, thinks he is intelligent – afraid to criticize his own people – so its easier to… Read more »
marius
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Marius, my country once was – similar to the Philippines – overwhelmingly religious. But that changed. I disagree. The Netherlands became a successful world power primarily because of its religion. The country had a huge role in breaking the political power of a corrupt and violent Catholic Church in Europe. Calvinism became the doctrine of choice in the 16th century and survives today in US culture. Some historians argue that this explains why the US, uniquely among overtly-religious countries, became (and remains) economically successful. While you might think you’re “free” , the fact is that the beliefs of Calvinism –… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Marius, ‘respect for your fellow man’ => Although our/my nieghbours may be jews, catholic, protestant or whatever, we dont go on a rampage and kill them. And our government doesnt kill drug-users, traffickers and drug-barons. Personally, I dont think it has anything to do with being ‘Calvinistic’. It has more to do with living a private and anonymous lives. Many people dont (even) know who and what their neighbours are. They simply dont care. Anyway, my point again here is that nothing will change inside the Philippines if the Filipinos wait for some kind of permission granted by the PH… Read more »
Copernicus Galileo
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“A bible doesnt give any practical solutions. It will keep people dumb and ignorant.” I’m no bible expert (and I’m not talking here of organized religion either) but curious to know how exactly, Mr. Robert?! If The Bible teaches us to honour thy father and thy mother or love our fellow men or not to kill each other, how does it make us dumb? And how about when the Bible does refer to natural phenomena…being consistently accurate, how does it makes us ignorant? “The Bible also speaks of God as “hanging the earth upon nothing,” or he “suspends earth in… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Copernicus, ‘If the bible teaches us to honour thy father and thy mother …’ The other day, I spoke with a 55 year old pinay who told me she still needs her mom (in her 80s) for guidance. She didnt explain me exactly what she meant by ‘guidance’ but whether she meant how to interpret a bible verse or how to respond to matters concerning daily life, at that age (55) you really need to have the answers ready. She is not a child anymore. If/when she is in a situation, she dont have any clue what to do, and… Read more »
Copernicus Galileo
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“Is there a religion, that is not organized?” I just thought we’re talking about the bible and NOT religion! The Bible is different from organized religion! “…whether she meant how to interpret a bible verse or how to respond to matters concerning daily life, at that age (55) you really need to have the answers ready.” You’re assuming that the “55 year old pinay” that you have spoken to is like the rest. We are not! (It’s not that the “55 year old pinay” doesn’t have a mind of her own. It’s a cultural thing, I suppose! It’s like when… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Copernicus, In a way I understand that Mrs. Lopez wants to consult with her hubby and maybe her kids. It can have a great impact especially if one has to move from one city to another or when her current job is a typical ‘9-to-5’ one while the new job requires more flexibility (not a ‘9-to-5’ attitude). On the other hand, this may be a ‘one/once in a lifetime’ offer with quite some perks (and power). So, I think, I can make that decision on my own. “Now about that statement, please enlighten me also, I’m open-minded! But please…be specific… Read more »
Copernicus Galileo
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“I am also no bible expert, but if it says that it is forbidden to wear/use condoms then I will say: ‘well, lets see about that’. I am also no bible expert, but if it says that it is forbidden to have an abortion then I will say: ‘well, lets see about that’. I really miss that kind of approach.” The Bible, Mr. Haighton, as Life’s Guide Book to a certain extent is just like the Law of the Land of any state. And we as People were given our free will. It’s really up to us in the end… Read more »
Ngek Ngek
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When Marcos left in February 1986, the Philippine population was only 55 million same as that of Thailand who are more or less same land area. At that time, Thailand was considered our sister country because of it. After EDSA86, the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy in the country has its almost a dictatorial sway on the government on population encouraging Filipinos to breed like rabbits. Thanks to the pontificating Church people, we are now 110 million Filipinos leaving behind Thailand with only 70 millions. We are now the world’s largest supplier of foreign workers mostly domestic helpers and next to… Read more »
222Hyden007Toro999.999
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222Hyden007Toro999.999

You can pray and believe in a Creator or God or Higher Power, without being a member of an Organized Religion.

Our ancestors, ancient Filipinos, were Animists. They worshiped nature…they had no churches, mosques or temples. They had no priests, pastors, imams , etc…they had no Bibles, Korans, or any religious books.

They believed in a Higher Power, and they worshiped his creation !

The Planet Earth was taken cared of in their times…and his creation was taken cared of also…no degradation of nature, no pollution…

zero
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The filth our own people are creating for themselves is horrifying.

Jim DiGriz
Guest

You can break the cycle of indoctrination if you stop dragging your children to church or stop to enroll them in Catholic schools. Stop to buy into these idiotic and ridiculous traditions and customs as Baptismal, et cetera.

Tell your children from young age onwards that Religion is stupid and explain why.

marius
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It has more to do with living a private and anonymous lives. Many people dont (even) know who and what their neighbours are. They simply dont care. Even so, what you are today is a product of a few hundred years of history. The fact remains that you don’t see your neighbour as someone to be exploited, stolen from, or brought down. The Filipino likewise is a product of 400 years of slavery and oligarchy. People who “took matters into their own hands” were probably taken out back and killed. The result was textbook dysgenics: the obedient, bovine idiots were… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Marius, I cant keep myself busy with history. If I cant adapt to today’s demands then I will visit a psychologist or even a psychiatrist. I like to re-invent myself almost daily. “The Catholic Church are the Filipino’s masters…”. I not only think that the CC can be seen as master but also the PH culture (‘conformity’ et al). It seems to me that its very difficult in PH to be and to think differently. Peer pressure and group pressure (incl members of the direct an extended family) are also sufficating. But what I find so funny is that with… Read more »
Copernicus Galileo
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@Mr. Robert, “The bible nor religion(s) do not offer me a choice.” I don’t think you’re being true with yourself! The Bible speaks of the Good and Bad and You…You have your Free Will! (Is there anything that you’ve read somehow in the bible that’s preventing you with your choice? Or is it just finding something to blame!) It’s quite contradictory, as you have said, ‘well, lets see about that’. “…I have to make that choice myself. I am the one who is responsible for the decisions I make. Not you, not a church, not a bible. Only I am… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Copernicus, Maslow is indeed one of my favorites; Dawkins, however, I never read anything he wrote. Laws are there – I guess – for ‘law and order’ and to prevent/avoid anarchy/chaos. Hence, the term ‘law-abiding citizen(s)’. But you know, most of us (yes me too) sometimes break a law (speeding for instance). A government should facilitate (in its law making) all members of the population. So even when you personally are against abortion (just used as an example) but when there is a demand for abortion within that same population then the government should and must facilitate that group as… Read more »
WHO YOU KIDDIN?
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MASLOW? R U KIDDING? The heirarchy of needs is psych 101 , you can get deeper than that cant you?

Robert Haighton
Member

Who,
I am looking forward hearing your version of psych 2.0: Filipino style.

Copernicus Galileo
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@Mr. Haighton, “What I was and am trying to say is that a bible (a religion) doesnt allow one to move freely without getting ‘punished’ (ending up in hell).” Mr. Haighton, in The Netherlands, if the Dutch people violate a law that control certain actions, can they move freely without getting punished? Are we not getting what we deserve in failure and in success?! (“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”) Here in The Philippines right now if you violate “Duterte’s Law” you end up lying in the streets! (Allegedly,… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Coprnicus,
There are two things I want to lay onb the table, Sir Copernicus.

“Laws (Biblical/State Laws) are just measures of control (to create balance) and when implemented by the state and/or by organized religion, in whichever way, is something potentially good and something potentially evil.”

Maybe in your country, laws and the constitution never changes but in my country they do.

Secondly, you can better address your entire thesis to the author of this article (Why I think the Catholic church in the Philippines is doing more harm than good).

AND SO..
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PROVE IT !

Ngek Ngek
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I believe religion is necessary as an alternative ready recourse for those who do not comprehend why injustice and inequality exist. Also religion gives meaning to one’s existence. To believe that life has no meaning at all but just random chance and evolution in this universe would be the best recipe for chaos and disorder in any given society. It is the abuse of power of religious leaders over their adherents that should be exposed and given the appropriate punishment such as censure. And if religious leaders violate the laws, there should not be any concession given to them. When… Read more »
Red
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To believe that life has no meaning at all but just random chance and evolution in this universe would be the best Just because a person doesn’t have religion doesn’t mean he thinks that life has no meaning. People who are well educated in the theory of evolution would never say we are just a random chance of nature. On the contrary, our evolutionary process centers around small increment of changes. Nature molded us into beings that are able to survive in our current environment. As nature changes, so do we… in small increments. When you actually understand the process,… Read more »
Ngek Ngek
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@Red In any normal curve of a given population, there are the intelligent/thinking or reasonable people like you at the the other end of the Gaussian Curve. However, the tragedy is the great majority are more persuaded or cultured to believe in a religion taught to them in their formative years.

If the majority of humanity are like you or educated like you, then no need to debate on evolution or the need of any religion.

Klara
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What if it’s both? Random and orderly.
No learning in absolutely controlled systems, while random systems self-destruct. Combine both you get equilibrium.

767Hyden007Toro9999.99
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“Religion is the “Opium” of the people” …statement from Communist Russia’s Vladimir Lenin. If religion helps you…then be a member of any religion. The trouble here is: religion is being used by evil people/clergy to advance their political agendas. The Aquino Cojuangco political axis use the Roman Catholic Church , to advance their political agendas. The late Cory Aquino used the Priests and Nuns, and the late Cardinal Sin to defeat her political enemies, and gain political power. The Iglesia Ni Kristo is wiser…it became rich, by supporting politicians in election. The Radical Islamic Al Queda and ISIS, use religion… Read more »
marius
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Cardinal Sin – that’s guy’s name makes me laugh every time I hear it. And what a vile piece of work he was. Nominative determinism, anyone?

WHO YOU KIDDIN?
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YES, that guys name says it all.

salagintong bukid
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i think the spaniards introduce the christian church and not the roman catholic church. it was grab by the roman catholism just like what constantinople did grabbing the followers of christianity. one of these two is paganism which could be clearly seen using the chalice, the sun, the christmas tree, etc. those are pagan symbols.

marius
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I don’t think so. Spain and Portugal in the 16th century were very, very Catholic. Their modus operandi for conquest was to threaten to kill everyone who didn’t convert to Christianity, suggesting strongly that their religion wasn’t Christianity. Remember, the Spanish Inquisition was in full swing when the Spaniards first started checking out the Philippines with a view to invasion. The Catholic Church there was at the height of its powers and as demonic as it was ever likely to get. Catholicism was conceived as a repressive tool for controlling the masses, and historically it has been stunningly successful in… Read more »
hahacienda
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So what’s the alternative? Islam?

marius
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Ah, Filipinos. The only choice is between this bad thing and this other bad thing, right? Where would you be if you ever learned to set your sights just a little higher than the gutter?

Noa
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Black and white dichotomies are the only thing your kind understands huh?

Ngek Ngek
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@hahacienda. John Lennon said it best in his song, “Imagine” before he was shot dead by a fanatical Roman Catholic in New York City in December 1980..

The alternative is first to believe that there is no such thing as eternal absolute truth which every religion would like its adherents to believe.

Obviously your rhetorical question, “Islam ? ” is out of line.