Ferdinand E. Marcos deserves a burial at the Libingan ng mga Bayani

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In a few months, we will finally see the burial of President Ferdinand E. Marcos at the Libingan ng mga Bayani, 27 years after the late president’s death. This is one of the first major national policies of President Rodrigo R. Duterte. And in deciding to allow the Marcos burial in the Heroes’ Cemetery, President Duterte absolutely made the right call.

Better late than never, as they always say. It is better to bury President Marcos now 27 years after his death than just letting his corpse freeze in Ilocos Norte. Call it poetic justice if you want, the late president will now get what he is due: a burial befitting a former Commander-in-Chief and a soldier who risked his life in the line of duty during the Second World War.

And why should we not bury President Marcos at the Heroes’ Cemetery? The AFP has already explained the rules for a person to be qualified for burial in the Heroes’ Cemetery. Marcos fits the qualifications set by the Department of National Defense. Marcos was a soldier who served in the Second World War, awarded the Medal of Valor. He is one of only around 40 Filipinos to have even received the award. He received the award when he was still only a Congressman of Ilocos Norte, and Gen. Douglas MacArthur also personally recognized Marcos’ services during the war.

Marcos was a former President, thrice elected in democratic elections (1965, 1969, 1981; four if you count 1986). Besides being a war veteran as previously mentioned, Marcos as Commander-in-Chief led the Philippines through a tumultuous era: the Cold War. The communists came in and launched a protracted war against the Philippine state. The situation was made worse when Moro rebels in the South tried to secede.

Being the United States’ mainstay in Asia, Marcos made sure the Philippines performed its part to make sure that the communists would not emerge victorious in the Cold War. First, by allowing America to use the country as a jump-off point towards Vietnam. Second, by suppressing the communist rebellion and preventing them from taking over the state apparatus and wreak havoc upon the entire nation as they did in China and North Korea.

When duty called, Marcos answered and performed his job as executive by declaring martial law to quell the rebellion. Martial law ushered in an era of stability after years of uprisings by the communists. When human rights abuses were reported, Marcos took responsibility and did what he had to do: 8,800 military officers were fired from the AFP during martial law due to complaints of human rights abuses. Regardless of how one looks at it, Marcos dutifully performed his job as President of the Republic. It was thanks to his government’s policies that the Philippine state remains standing and whole, not under a communist government nor is it one region smaller.

His loyalists would say he is a hero, his detractors would call him an evil dictator. But what I would say is this, Ferdinand E. Marcos was a man who served his country nobly as a soldier, and as President, made the right decisions when duty called. Marcos was a man who knew how to deal with the circumstances of his time. He is not the evil man that the left and the oligarchs accuse him of being. I am glad that on September 1972, at a time of global crisis and national instability, it was Ferdinand Marcos in Malacanang and not anyone else.

The Marcos detractors have emerged again ahead of his burial. Those people are promoting hate, they’re promoting instability, they’re promoting national fragmentation, they’re promoting bigotry, they’re promoting violence, the very things they accused Marcos of. Millennials are scapegoated as Marcos apologists, but when I saw the Bongbong Marcos rallies, I saw old people, not young people. Those were middle-aged people, many were already senior citizens.

Perhaps it is difficult for them to accept the end of the status quo, that President Ferdinand E. Marcos would be viewed in a more favorable light, not as dictated by the dishonest media and twisted history books. Part of me honestly wants to hold the burial on September 21, just to watch the reaction of the radicals, but I believe the late President deserves it on his birthday.

This September, President Marcos will be interred underground, out of sight and out of mind. Such closes the curtain on the Marcos legacy, which had its ups and downs. It is now time for us to do our part. Whatever mistakes Ferdinand Marcos did, we must learn and never repeat them. Likewise, we must build upon the good that he was able to do.

So, I laud the decision of President Rodrigo Duterte to allow the burial of President Ferdinand Marcos at the Heroes’ Cemetery. I laud him for making the right decision without being influenced by the detractors. The Marcos burial will begin a new chapter in our nation’s history, and it is up to us to write what will be in that chapter.

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Ron Angelo
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It’s weird how some would separate Marcos from the human rights violations by saying the soldiers were the ones who screwed up yet say Noynoy is to be blaimed for the SAF’s poor execution in Mamasapano. Both screwed up neither way. As for Marcos being buried in the Libingan ng mga Bayani, the main problem stems from how we throw around the word “bayani” all the time as if it is an absolute, objective title. I say bury that lifeless corpse anywhere they want so long as conditions are passed. I just hope his burial won’t re-write history. We still… Read more »
andrew
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the burial of his body surely will be written in the history. i hope it would give an intellectual and truthful meaning instead of demonizing his persona.

Javier Evasco
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Isn’t it clear that former president Marcos saved the country heroically from the communist plan to take over our democratic government, by declaring Martial Law?

ron angelo
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It’s hard for me to believe that notion since media, academic and anecdotal sources have indicated that communism gained traction during his term and even increased in followers when he declared ML. It also doesn’t help that notion thay communism is still alive and kicking in the nation to this day.

DIO
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The late Father Balweg once stated that the NPA is nearly eradicated during the ML years. The NPA was regaining strength after Cory Aquino freed Joma Sison and other members of the CPP. They were spared by granting them a 35-year ban and an exile.

On your original point: the Red Scare was no mere scare. Communists are trying to take over the government. Actually, two years prior to Martial law, there was the First Quarter Storm. You connect the dots.

WR
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The first segment of the video should address your questions. And here’s another.

Ron Angelo
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Dio, The fact that Balweg, a man who denounced the CPP later on, went against what other sources proves the need for cross-referencing. This is not a religion we’re talking about where we can just choose sources based on our preferences and ignore others. Stanford’s historical accounts of the CPP, for example, don’t jive with Balweg’s claims. Now, the First Quarter Storm occurred during Marcos’ second term. For 5 years, it can be argued that he was unable to stop the brewing leftist unrest that was about to happen. Connecting the dots, it would seem the notion that Marcos saved… Read more »
Vheinne
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He was a Filipino soldier. The Libingan ng mga Bayani was established as a fitting resting place not just for PH heroes and martyrs & Generals but also for Filipino military personnel.

a yellow tard
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like Stalin, Marcos should stay freeze for the unborn to see who their hero is. He must stay alive forever. Heroes are not for maggots.

Javier Evasco
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Pwede! but a monument is more sturdy and will last forever. Delikado sa freezer baka mag-brown ot patay tayo dyan. 🙂

Robert Haighton
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I really dont understand this. This goes so against the article written by Grimwald about idolatry.
Furthermore, if I was Marcos’ son or his brother, I will decide about where he will be buried (or cremated).
This should and must be a family affair and not decided by a president or a government.

SDKs
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…but it is indeed the family’s decision (long-standing wish) to have him buried at the LNMB…

Robert Haighton
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SDK,
strange and weird decision. Marcos is not a ‘possession’ for the common people. Here is where we differ. We are private people. We dont want strangers to visit my grave or my dad’s grave. Its not a place to worship my family (you get my drift?). Its not Lourdes or Mecca.

If we are called a hero because for simply doing a job in an excellent way then something is really wrong with that society.
Doing a job in an excellent way must be the norm and the standard. And then nobody needs a hero grave.

Sancho Alconce
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What you wrote is sad but true. We often hear people being praised to high heavens for doing what is written in their job descriptions which is suppose to be the standard. For most, there is no such thing as extra effort. Another thing. I used to get into trouble with my superiors before because they are receiving complaints that I do not motivate those I supervise. But they are managers and I always insist that they be self motivated. I kept my job till I retired. My point is as I have seen it from the ground, excellence is… Read more »
Robert Haighton
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Sancho, For me (and most Dutch people who have a job) its the standard to do an excellent job. Each year we also get a one-on-one performance review conversation with the dept. manager about any progress (or targets). If I fail those targets/developments/progress, I will get fired. In that aspect, we dont idolize our president/prime minister/king or queen (or who ever). And we certainly dont see/regard such a person as an example to lead us. A prime minister – in my country – has very little power to change anything. He/she needs parliament to change laws/rules and regulations and a… Read more »
marius
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>> Doing a job in an excellent way must be the norm and the standard. And then nobody needs a hero grave.

Hear, hear.

When the Philippines understands this, it will have a lot more everyday heroes.

T
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I guess detractors do take the name of the cemetery too seriously: “Bayani”. Haha, how shallow. Fucking stoopid pinoy culture takes everything too damn literally. Its supposed to be the ph equivalent to arlington national cemetery, isnt it? Why not rename the cemetery, then bury him for crissake? Move on, you fucking emos, in the end it’s just a plot of land filled with human remains.

marius
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>> in the end it’s just a plot of land filled with human remains.

Good point T.

F. Marcos is dead. Who cares if he was a “hero” or not? 100 million Filipinos, most of whom are the complete opposite of heroes, are still alive and making a royal mess of the country.

Still, I bet Marcos would be proud of the country he left behind. He set the standard for grand larceny, and Filipinos are still hard at work ripping each other off.

SDKs
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… is it possible that a superpower country set the standards for larceny in a small (or third world country)?… that if the leader balk he gets overthrown or….

marius
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um what?

I guess there were plenty of USSR-as-was oligarchs who could give Marcos a run for his money, but he does still hold the official record for the largest sum of money ever stolen by a sitting president.

Of course, there is no evidence. None at all. Except for the World Bank loan records and the disclosure of foreign accounts. No doubt they just made all that up to make the Philippines look bad. Nothing is ever the Filipino’s fault, is it?

WR
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If it’s about Guinness World Records you should visit the site right now and type Ferdinand Marcos and see the results for yourself. Oddly enough the entry about Suharto still remains.

marius
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WR: for some reason it doesn’t give a result for that search.

I’m taking my info from Wikipedia: ‘Guinness World Records (with wife, Imelda): largest-ever theft: USD860.8 million “salted away” identified in April 23, 1986 with total stolen since November 1965, an estimated 5 to 10 billion dollars’.

At least the country is famous for something, eh?

But yeah, I’ve no doubt Suharto was neck-and-neck with Marcos. Bear in mind that Malay culture has a lot of similarities with Filipino, for obvious geographical reasons.

444Toro007Hyden999999.999
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444Toro007Hyden999999.999
Politics aside; Ferdinand Marcos Sr. was a World War II soldier and a hero. The Aquinos and the Cojuangcos, who were Japanese Imperialist collaborators, are the ones against the burial of Marcos , Sr., in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. Maybe, they want Benigno Aquino, Sr., to be buried there ! My late father, was a World War II, soldier,who fought in the Battle of Bataan, and survived the infamous Death March, from Mariveles to Capas, Tarlac. He fought again as a Filipino Guerrilla, after his release in the Tarlac Camp. So, please understand the families of those, who sacrificed… Read more »
Maloy Garcia
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We share the same sentiments 444Toro007Hyden999999.999. My late father was also a World War 11 veteran, who also fought in the same battles as your late father did and also survived the infamous Death March. They might have even know each other.
You are right in saying these Aquinos and Cojuangcos don’t know and cannot understand these sacrifices because they were never soldiers who fought for our country. They fought for their own self-preservation.

ChinoF
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I think this brief note by someone some years back puts some perspective on who’s for who. To the Editor: Your April 13 Week in Review article ”Marcos Died, but It Didn’t Last” describes corruption in the Philippines as a legacy of the Marcos years. But corruption was pervasive long before Ferdinand Marcos rose to power. It was the product of centuries of foreign domination that undermined governmental legitimacy, of intense regionalism that weakened identification with national interests, and of a plantation economy that yielded a self-serving elite. Mr. Marcos embodied these sources of corruption and he exploited them brilliantly,… Read more »
NO FUCKIN WAY
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Whether he deserves a burial in a National Cemetary is a debate for the Filipno people to have. As a foreigner who knew of Imelda had 3,000 pairs of shoes and accoutrements most other people will never have, at a time when her fellow countryen were starving, only made it easy to HATE THEIR FUCKIN GUTS ! FM thought he was soooo fuckin COOL that he demanded THE BEATLES, on their day off from a grueling road trip schedule, perform for him in person….and THEY DID what I wish I could have done and said NO, and told him to… Read more »
Yoshikage Kira
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Foreigner? More like a TROLLLING SCMUBAG. 😛 I dunno what you’re trying to say here, but it seems you’re just a fag who thinks that everything is better after Marcos left. Reality-check: it’s much worse. And you’re focusing too much on trivial things like the Beatles fiasco (which is also the band’s fault) and the shoes, etc. And about the murder of his enemies and being responsible for the tortures of his many more enemies, focusing just on one man is too simplistic. You didn’t even bat an eye on Ramos and Enrile, who played a BIGGER ROLE on those… Read more »
NO FUCKIN WAY
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NO, that is not what I think, you ass-wipe. All you have are petty insults, nothing of substance to answer what I stated. So you make up something YOU WISH I said and take it from there, like a typical retarded flip.
I also stated what Enrile did to put forth the 1081 imposition, or did you miss that, SHIT FOR BRAINS ?
and there is not a yellow supporter writing this you presumptuous dooshbag.

Yoshikage Kira
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As expected from an emotionally-ridden douche: all crap and not substance.

You mentioned Enrile earlier, but it seems you’re implying that Marcos himself is doing it. In case you don’t notice, Enrile himself is the ‘architect’ of Martial law. Yet you’re too much fixated on one man that you ignore almost everything.

You may not be a Yellow supporter, but just another crybaby just here for shits and giggles.

NO FUCKIN WAY
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The fact is ,Juan Ponce Enrile pulled a HOAX shooting that gave this guy Ferdinand Marcos reason enough to declare Martial Law. This was A HOAX perpetrated by Marcos so he could hold onto power. Does a Man who pulled A HOAX on the entire country, no matter what his past accomplishments were, one so hideous as to be used as a reason to declare MARTIAL LAW,ILLEGALLY, on an entire country for over a decade, sound like someone who is deserving of a National Burial to you ? This is a FACT. Here are a few more: over 30,000 people… Read more »
Yoshikage Kira
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Fact? More like pure TROLLING. 😛 I just want to tell you that Enrile WAS the architect for the implementation of Martial Law. Seems you’re clueless about the fact that 2 years prior to 1972, there was the First Quarter Storm. This is no hoax since Communists are trying to take over the country. Whether you like it or not, Martial Law was declared for that purpose. And it is in accordance to the 1935 Constitution so it was LEGAL. Here are few more, fag: 30,000 people were imprisoned, but do you think ALL of them are innocents? Not just… Read more »
SDKs
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haaay these yellow trolls… nakakapagod na kayo. Mr. Yoshikage Kira, they would not know the truth even if the truth is staring them at their faces…OR probably they could not start facing the truth after living a lie for 30 years. The silver lining is that Filipinos of different ages are educating themselves about Martial Law, The Marcoses, the aquinos, the Philippine History. Even those affected by Martial Law have been aghast against the injustices done by the yellows against the people. A few years back my nephew told me he thinks FEM was the greatest president. I was shocked… Read more »
No One
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I am an OFW Sir, are you sure you ask everyone of us? How could this be possible sir when almost all the OFW’s i know and some friends in those local and big OFW forums are for Marcos?
We are working abroad Sir, and most of us are hoping that someday, our country will be like the place/s where we are currently employed. If that’s not our wish sir, why would you think that the majority of OFW’s and OAV’s majority voted for BBM?

TheVoiceofReason
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Get real post should change its name to. ” we really are Marcos supporters” This have site has zero to do with ” enlightening filipinos” and more to push the owners and writers political agendas Marcis was a war hero? Maybe.? Was he a hero to philippine people? No. He was a tyrant that plunged this country into poverty and martial law. Truth sucks to those delusional followers. But it is what it is. Was the yellow party any better? No they were a bunch of tyranical power holders too. ( added this in because when u mention the truth… Read more »
WR
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But thank fuck must people know propaganda when they see it.

But of course, people are beginning to realize that Marcos isn’t really the tyrant/thief as he was depicted by the so-called “EDSA victors.”

It’s also noticeable the trolls are now pretending to be “neutral.” Then they savagely spew anti-Marcos tirades and histrionics while labeling everyone pro-Marcos because we dare give them the benefit of doubt.

TheVoiceofReason
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Wow. Your delusion and propaganda is so thick perhaps you should be working for china?
Well u soon might be if Duterte gets his way

/pol/guy
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Wow. Your TROLLING and FAGGOTY is so thick perhaps you should take this trolling to somewhere else?

WR
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See, they can’t wait to impose themselves on others. (=_=)
People have the freedom to question such dubious anti-Marcos narratives.

Kosaku Kawajiri
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Laughable. You should change your username to TheVoiceofFaggotry. Your comments say otherwise. Anyhow, THREE DECADES since the bloodless revolution. THIRTY YEARS! What an opportunity to blot out a name equated to dictatorship, plunder, greed and abuse. The Filipino people had THREE DECADES to render an influence, powerless. THIRTY YEARS. THREE DECADES. Exactly. 30 Years is all it took for China, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia to overtake the Philippines. The war ravaged Vietnam will overtake us in 5 years. And now, it will take 50 years for the Philippines to even reach the status at which these… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
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So your point is your whole society and culture are just a reflection on your tyrants?

s4sman
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Here’s my counterpoint: what you actually wanted is a government whored by media that keeps on telling you “Everything is okay” and never look forward for progress as a society and a nation but to be part of a mediocrity.

All I can say is that you’re always pointing against one tyrant while alluding to the tyrants under the shadows of democracy. Please be honest, because that is totally hypocritical of you.

TheVoiceofReason
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Typical failpino author( where ever u cut and pasted it from and did not include the source..u do realize thats illegal right) Everyone else has a tyrant…. Everyonelse has corruption. Well its not as bad as africa. Wake up to yourself and the lies u tell to yourself. This is a nation of children and excuses. Pathetic is all those trying to rewrite history and claim the marcos years were the golden years. For the marcos family they were. For their friends and allies they were. Thats it. We know thats it because it was well documented from numerous sources.… Read more »
s4sman
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Typical Faillipino TROLLFAG. And you’re trying to say that everything is better AFTER 1986? It’s no propaganda, it’s reality-check. BTW, what’s the point of having a lesson in history if history is biased or not trying to be objective about it? I wish all Pinoys should have to actually learn objective history. When they blindly say the Marcos Years were all bad and give nothing constructive about it but rejoice the 1987 Constitution and Cory’s efforts like it was a breath of fresh air, its like the same idiots who thought the Spanish finally leaving was a time of grace… Read more »
chromaticfrog
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lol. such free verse. much poetic:

“Everyone else has a tyrant….
Everyonelse has corruption.
Well its not as bad as africa.
Wake up to yourself and the lies u tell to yourself.
This is a nation of children and excuses.
Pathetic is all those trying to rewrite history and claim the marcos years were the golden years.
For the marcos family they were.
For their friends and allies they were.
Thats it.”

this exactly what the philippines needs. more bum poets.

domo
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Hi I’m thevoiceofreason and I’m a proud idiot aquino follower. The marcoses are evil because of martial law that I even call this one evil as well because he has the surname marcos in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A9lson_Marcos

You just want the Filipinos to be divided with your north korean-like mindset do you fuckhead?

SDKs
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daughter and i ROFL with this 😂😂😂😂

TheVoiceofReason
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Disagree point to facts called a troll and a fag? Yes. No wonder filipino online gamers and bloggerd are known ad the most toxic and disliked people on the internet. You are all delusional marvos supporters. This site is purely a propaganda filled shit hole of quote mined information and misinformation and in true pinoy form when pointed out a difference of opinion the sink to insults of the of a gutter whore. Not sure though how faggot is an insult? Comming from a filipino that is hilarious. Your culture has the most percentage of gay men and transgendered people… Read more »
s4sman
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@TheVoiceofFaggotry: Now you’re just grasping straws. The problem is that you only select ‘facts’ for your own personal convenience while most of us here pointed out on everyone and everything. Not to mention that you’re just pinning on one side rather than looking on two sides of the story. Now you have your own delusions on accusing everyone here as ‘Marcos supporters’ and being ‘paid hacks’ is a sign of desperation. Pure TROLLING at its worst. On the contrary, just because we don’t believe in Yellow Propaganda means we believe in Marcos propaganda? Get a load on there, fella. Nice… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
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Go through my posts. Never been an aquino supporter. You are creating a straw,an argument and flat out lying. Again. I hope aquino gets whats comming to hm. I have said it before here. He either was incompetsnt and had no idea of the pork barrel or was directly involved using it to fuel favors. Plus he fucked up the arrest of the milf débâcle and should have etood doen immediately. Lets not forget them stealing all that farm land and killing they farmers who were protesting in cold blood. Get it? Not a fucking yellow supporter you stup one… Read more »
AnonGuy
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Unfortunately, you cast the first stone since you’re thoroughly one-sided in the first place? Accusing me being a liar and one who bear false witness shows how desperate you are, along with your playing the victim card crap. About the people you knew who lived thru the Marcos regime, it seems unfortunate that they let their emotions run over, ya know what I’m saying? But, if we let our emotions take the better of us, we would not see what is really going on. For one, if we just consider those who are the loudest in their rhetorics against BBM… Read more »
DELERIOUS
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@ Voice of Reason, these idoits are not capable of seeing anything other than their leader’s POV. The refuse to realize that FMarcos was a tyranical thieving scumbag and that all of the other politico’s in the country today are even worse. Point this out to these shitheads and they call you a troll-fag or some ridiculous shit BUT they can not see what is right in front of them because they are blinded by their ignorance as well as by the few peso’s they are paid to write comments here to support their Marcos favoring hero.

Irwin Schyster
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@DELERIOUS FAGGOT:

Says the guy who keeps on saying Marcos is a thieving scumbag and the ONLY thieving scumbag in existence while the Aquino-Cojuangco clan and their allies are not, which they prove that they were far more worse. You are blinded by your own ignorance since your eyes are fixated only on Marcos while every thieving scumbag is giving a pass. And accusing the bloggers here being ‘paid hacks’ is insulting. But what do I expect from an Aquino-loving paid hack like yourself?

SO WHAT ?
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@ IRWIN SHITHEAD, read the guys last post, he said Aquino is evena worse thief, so after that…what is your point ? That Marcos was NOT A THIEVING SCUMBAG ? get a clue, retard.

Funny Valentine
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IRWIN SHITHEAD, read the guys last post, he said Aquino is evena worse thief, so after that…what is your point ? That Marcos was NOT A THIEVING SCUMBAG ? get a clue, retard

TROLL. 😛

The point is that after everything the Aquinos have done over the last 30 years, people are now treating Marcos more of being a petty thief than a thieving scumbag. That’s because post-EDSA presidents now made him an amateur by comparison.

Apparently, you’re even more retarded since you’re clueless. Of course, you love to overrate stuff, right?

U SAID WHAT ?
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@ T V o R, YES, You are absolutely correct. The Marcos family were thieving scumbags just like the Aquino’s.This web-site has turned into a propaganda bull-horn for the Marcos family and I’d bet they are being paid to write this garbage. Bing-Bing is a clown and is about to become a very rich Man after his hagged out Mother dies and he inherits all that his scumbagging family stole from the Failipino people. Filipino’s deserve him and whatever else they get. When flips are shown the truth about their leaders and point to another leader as if that leader… Read more »
Yoshikage Kira
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And you are totally confirmed for TROLL since you’re absolutely wrong. You keep on whining about the Marcos family being thieving scumbags yet you never even bat an eye on the people after them, which is they are far more worse. Bing-Bing is a clown and is about to become a very rich Man after his hagged out Mother dies and he inherits all that his scumbagging family stole from the Failipino people. This kind of faggotry again. You totally ignore the fact that there are factors like the GLOBAL FREEZE orders of their assets. A lot of factors that… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
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This article is about marcos being buried as a hero.
So why the fuck would we be twlking about all the other piece of shit politicians u failpino keep electing.

Are u guys in your own little wonder land?

s4sman
Guest

This article is about marcos being buried as a hero.
So why the fuck would we be twlking about all the other piece of shit politicians u failpino keep electing.

Marcos is a former soldier.

So why the crap keep on being EMO over a dead ex-president which it leads us to nowhere.

Speaking of wonder land, believing that everything is better after 1986 seems like a wonder land to me. Why you ask?

TheVoiceofReason
Guest

Everything better after 1986?
Wow. Yeah u really are brainwashed.
Just keep throwing around the most useless carch phrases.
Say a lie enough and they will think its true right?

I give up.
Just like the usa did and decided flips were not worth trying to save.

BMH
Guest
@VoiceofTROLLING: Let me reinstate 30 years of propaganda and half truths. Now, the people are free, but stupid. The most dangerous lies are those that are nearest to the truths. You’re so fixated on Marcos left and right that you tend to ignore about the things and events that happened AFTER he left. And please stop being hypocritical. Because you’re already have been brainwashed in the first place. Not to mention about your refusal to look on history in an objective way. How can I’ve been brainwashed when I totally saw what happened 30 years after 1986? Of course you… Read more »
DELERIOUS
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@ VofR, yes, they are idioits not worth trying to help.The comments after what you wrote prove it. This article is about Marcos and one shithead keeps stating ‘All you do is mention Marcos’ as if the article is about Ice-hockey or something else entirely different from MARCOS. Yes, FLIPS are MORONS of the highest caliber (and that is an insult!) not worth the sweat off my balls.

Irwin Schyster
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@DELERIOUS:

Point freakin’ but what do I expected from a one-sided shithead like yourself?

Dick S. O'Rosary
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you throw around the word “Marcos supporter” like its an insult. I still fail to see how thats supposed to discourage the writers from writing and for the guys in the combox from responding to you.

Monseignor
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Voiceofreason I agree with you. Most of the so called “journalists” here are MARCOS’ revisionists. I’m a filipino. I personally know what happened during the Marcos years.

Enrile already admitted during an interview that he staged the ambush that precipitated martial law. these people are delusional.

until now they refuse to see the evidence….like this http://interaksyon.com/article/125980/imee-marcos-sons-jv-ejercito-among-572-pinoys-in-offshore-holdings-expose

I’m not wasting anymore bandwidth for these people.they’re either stupid or paid hacks to revise history.

s4sman
Guest

Nice red herring, fag. Even there are ‘evidences’ it only pertains on one side. You’re already wasting your bandwidth, son. You accuse people here for being stupid or ‘paid hacks’ to revise history yet you’re also stupid for refusing to study OBJECTIVE history

Accusing everyone here as ‘Marcos revisionists’? Spoken like a true Yellowtail. Please your faggotry to somewhere else.

TheVoiceofReason
Guest

Hitler youth much?

AnonGuy
Guest

Well, Yellowtardism much?

He’s just open-minded and nothing else. What you have is just Martial Law ‘Crybaby syndrome. That’s not even right.

U SAID WHAT ?
Guest

The ‘HITLER YOUTH’ would have nothing to do with these wannabe ass-wipes.These clowns are so dumb that even when shown solid evidence of the thieving ways of the Marcos family and how the hoax Enrile pulled to implement ML,prop 1081, they have no answer but insults like Troll Fag etc etc…..truly retarded flips.

Yoshikage Kira
Guest
These clowns are so dumb that even when shown solid evidence of the thieving ways of the Marcos family and how the hoax Enrile pulled to implement ML,prop 1081, they have no answer but insults like Troll Fag etc etc…..truly retarded flips. Tyoical TROLLFAG. Awesome about playing the victim card, huh? Solid evidence yet you’re just retarded since you love to overrate stuff. You also have a fixated view on Enrile where he is actually the ‘architect’ of Martial law. And you give him a pass? http://www.manilatimes.net/why-not-ask-ramos-and-enrile-about-martial-law-abuses/247486/ Unfortunately, the biggest clowns here are those who are vehemently EMO over a… Read more »
DELERIOUS
Guest

@ YOKO NO-NO, no one gave anyone a pass you fuckin clown. Go around in circles,insult those who tell you what a bunch of thieves Marcos (and all the other politicians are)and his family are….. and enjoy your poverty as it is all you will ever have. Your flip tard ways fool no one with a brain.Ya fuckin clown…

Irwin Schyster
Guest
@DELERIOUS CLOWN: You’re a clown yourself when you’re just fixated on Marcos as if the Aquinos can never do wrong since they were worshipped as demigods like you and the rest of their cronies did. And how can I enjoy poverty if… 30 years ago, there was poverty. Today, there is poverty, but there is CCT. The yellows want the poor to remain poor by teaching them mendicancy. It is the institution of pauperism, so that oligarchs can be institutionalized. Since you’re an Aquino apologist yourself, you won’t get it because you will all go “who cares? At least it’s… Read more »
WR
Guest

Another lame attempt using Confirmation Bias especially when it pertains to the Marcoses.

Offshore accounts are not necessarily illegal.

DELERIOUS
Guest

@ WR , they are when the money was stolen and put there to avoid being taken back, ya fuckin idiot.

Irwin Schyster
Guest

And then be plundered by our own trapos. Or maybe you’re just a bigger idiot, aren’t you?

domo
Guest

Baaaw denying much idiot aquino follower? You are indeed like this pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOnafLpIPyk

WR
Guest

Do you have any evidence of these so-called “stolen money” or just riding the bandwagon. There’s no need for you to be so stressed out.

U GOT NOTHIN
Guest

all you have to do is watch the interviews with Imelda,ON YOU TUBE, SHE ADMITS IT….YOU GUYS AE IDIOTS, acting as if FM DID NOT ROB THE COUNTRY BLIND, LOL!

WR
Guest

@U GOT NOTHIN

Nah, I’d rather hear court cases.

MeinGott
Guest
all you have to do is watch the interviews with Imelda,ON YOU TUBE, SHE ADMITS IT….YOU GUYS AE IDIOTS, acting as if FM DID NOT ROB THE COUNTRY BLIND, LOL! And yet there was an interview with Mel Tiangco that Imelda states that the money was for “the Filipino people”. Oh yeah, the Yellow, including you, would never listen so order to continue your own hissy fits and propaganda. Hate to break it to ya, but don’t you even know that the Aquino-Cojuangcos and their cronyism, took advantage on the 1987 Constitution that they rob the public BLIND FOR OVER… Read more »
NOTOLP
Guest

I’ve been wondering if marcos’ will dictates (excuse the pun) that he is to be buried in lb, before his full wealth that is alleged to be worth a trillion dollars could finally be shared to the Filipino people.

ChinoF
Member

I heard that one. Hmm, no wonder some want the burial to happen. However, I’d take this with a grain of salt.

DIO
Guest

For what I’ve read, Marcos wants to give his 90% of their wealth thru a foundation. And he also wanted to return to the Philippines in order to die and be buried beside his mother. The man who heard those words from the dying Marcos is none other than the late Salvador Laurel

And then, came Cory Aquino. Yes, she screwed it up. All of it.

TheVoiceofReason
Guest
So are u suggesting she stole all that money and not marcos? I fail to see your point. By the way corey was be far the second worse president of the philippines. But to suggest that it was her fault marcos did not return the wealth of the filipinos is pretty far fetched and reaching. He should of donated it all as a goodwill gesture. Not held it for ransom to get his way like a dictaor thieving scum. You get the point? Or did u fail to see it through your marcos loving eyes? He cared so much about… Read more »
WinterSoldier
Guest
I think your clueless due your EMOness and and grasping on straws and such. In case you don’t notice, the money that Marcos allegedly stole is nothing compared after 1986. Smuggling alone in the last 5 years is in the trillions. That is totally controlled by one KKK who was then sitting in the Palace. Just a conservative ad valorem of 10%, that is already 100 billion of taxes gone. I am talking very conservatively. Actually, there are already estimates that show corruption in the 30 years after 1986 is five times the 20 years prior to 1986. In addition,… Read more »
Kosaku Kawajiri
Guest

Unfortunately for you, DIO has a point:

ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1036706

Read and weep.

s4sman
Guest
So are u suggesting she stole all that money and not marcos? I fail to see your point. By the way corey was be far the second worse president of the philippines. She IS the worst president of the Philippines. That is due to the fact that she was an inefficient leader to boot. According to the authored book of Mr. Ceclio Arillo, “Greed and Betrayal” Cory Aquino governed like a dictator, worse than Marcos. Cory Aquino’s spending appetite might have been buried by her propagandist, including most of the media or journalist idolaters. Massacred picketers of Hacienda Luisita Farmers… Read more »
BMH
Guest
But to suggest that it was her fault marcos did not return the wealth of the filipinos is pretty far fetched and reaching. He should of donated it all as a goodwill gesture. Not held it for ransom to get his way like a dictaor thieving scum. You get the point? Or did u fail to see it through your marcos loving eyes? There are GLOBAL FREEZE orders on all assets of the Marcoses acquired prior to 1986 not only coming from the PHL and that international Anti-Money Laundering body based in Paris, but also by the US, as they… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
Guest
Im honestly at a loss that u do believe all of what you wrote. U defend marcos at every turn. He stole money. He put the country in ten long years of martial law. The people power move ent was created to get rid of him. Why are u bringing up any other bullshit when this is discussing that he is a hero or not and derserves to be buried like one. Do u not see how ridiculous all your crap is? U really think all of marcos’s wealth was frozen? Then why was the marcos’s just linked to the… Read more »
Yoshikage Kira
Guest
No, son. I’m just doing what is right yet you’re still on crybaby mode. He stole money. That doesn’t even excuse the fact that the people after him stole even more, even bigger. And you gave them a pass? You always go “who cares? at least it’s not Marcos lol” You have to be thankful that he’s just one plunderer. Now, there are plunderers left and right, and because of what they did during those 30 years, the one so-called plunderer from 30 years ago turned into an amateur. He put the country in ten long years of martial law… Read more »
s4sman
Guest
Aside from the fact that you try to discredit Doy Laurel’s account of his conversation with Marcos in Hawaii(it’s also fact and not opinion, as stated in his book “Neither Trumpets nor Drums”), you also try to discredit Rigoberto Tiglao’s article and label it as ‘opinion’. No, son. They are all facts. Especially Tiglao, who was formerly a leftist and during Martial law, he was imprisoned. But instead of pinning the blame on Marcos, he writes There were indisputably human rights violations during Martial Law, even the most despicable ones. Many of my close friends were killed by the military… Read more »
AnonGuy
Guest

Lemme quote what Add said:

Gosh, some people are so focused on $10 billion when the country is being systematically being plundered in the 100s of billions in hard dollars in various ways.

How myopic could one be, and they think they have the international perspective. Bwahahaha.

Let them pontificate and enjoy their delusions, we have a country to worry about.

TheVoiceofReason
Guest
Yes now we have corruption and thievery at every level. But the article we are commenting on is not about other people. Nor the yellow party. Its wether a dictator deserves a place at the cemetery of heroes. You marcos loving bloggers keep going so far off opic to try and paint that your evil dictator was not as bad as everyone now. Typical filipino excuses. Its like when people say filipino are lazy but tilipino go, but africans are more lazy…somehow this justifies their own attitude or activities. You mention two people that wrote two books. One blamed jose… Read more »
DELERIOUS
Guest

@ Voice of Reason, yes I agree with you !! BUT these morons don’t make me sick, they can not negatively affect me ! BUT THEY DO MAKE ME LAUGH at what shitheads they are.

Irwin Schyster
Guest

Wrong, son. YOU’RE LAUGHING AT YOURSELF since deep on the inside, you’re shithead who loves to choke on his own tears. Go figure, fam.

AnonGuy
Guest
No, no, no. Point freakin’ missed. Congratulations that you exposed your own idiocy since you’re the one who is circlejerking here with your own brand of hearsay and LOL Evil Marcos. You’re totally ridiculous to begin with, you know that? I already did objective history. You’re aren’t even objective to begin with due to your anti-Marcos bias and now you also expressed support to the NPA and Communists rebels? Thinking of it, even Joma Sison stated that Ninoy Aquino was connected with everyone, including Reds. Try to topple the dictator and replace another dictatorship (Communist, that is) if we follow… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
Guest

Your about as neutral and unbiased as water isn’t wet.
Done arguing with you be ause the problem with idiots is the do not even realize they are one.
You just claimed i was a communist supporter when i clearly pointed out i was not.
Honestly there is so much dishonesty and out right lies in your rants, im surprised you take yourself seriously.

Is this articke about the yellow party or the communist party being buried in the crmetary of heroes???
No.
No it is not so why bring up u realted junk….?
One dimeninsional pinoy.
Dont you have a trike to pedal today?

Yoshikage Kira
Guest
At the beginning, you’re just wasting your time so you spend the whole day TROLLING and nothing else. You weren’t a Communist supporter yet you even said this: Can not stand communism but to blame the rebels fighting against a tyrant, trying to end martial law as the cause of your peopkes deaths is so fuckng ridiculous im once again at a loss if you live in reality. Actually, you didn’t even care if it’s NPA for as long as it topples down Marcos, you’re fine with it. So don’t blame if I brand you as such. You’re just proving… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
Guest
No. My businesses basically run themselves. I onlh make appearances for show. I was not siding woth communism at all. I was pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of blaiming the leader of the communism regime for fighting against martial law. Not sure how aquino yet again enters into a discussion on wether or not fm should be buried as a hero or the warlord tyrant he was but hey, you marcos fanboys have not been knkwn for your rational critical thinking. Calling me a faggot once again. Dude u r on the wrong side of history and, perhaps you did… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
Guest

He was not implying that at all, as the article is not about who came after the marcos family, but about THE marcos family.
How much are u paid to be their online troller?

s4sman
Guest
Nice strawman argument. What I’m pointing is that the Communist insurgency happened during his second term. 2 years prior to 1972 the height of the Communist insurgency reached its peak during the First Quarter Storm. Then two years after that event, 1972 came and Martial law was declared. For the record, because Ninoy, thanks to the Yellows, was hailed as a ‘hero’. I was wondering why he wasn’t even buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayan if he was actually a hero. Since Marcos is a former soldier, then why not? But hey, you anti-Marcos emotards aren’t even capable of… Read more »
U GOT NOTHIN
Guest

SO WHAT, THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT FERDINAND MARCOS, THE THIEF !!! AND HIS SCUMBAG FAMILY.OR ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THAT? OH WAIT YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. WHATTA SHITHEAD !!!

s4sman
Guest

>>implying the people after him are not thieves.

We got a closet shithead here, folks.

TheVoiceofReason
Guest

He was not implying that at all, as the article is not about who came after the marcos family, but about THE marcos family.
How much are u paid to be their online troller?

s4sman
Guest
He was not implying that at all, as the article is not about who came after the marcos family, but about THE marcos family. How much are u paid to be their online troller? Says the actual online troller who thinks that every is better after 1986 and still believes that it’s true, which is not. Unfortunately for ya, I’m not just pointing on Marcos but on EVERYONE. You’re just fixated on Marcos only and that’s it, no matter what the article is. And please, you’re more of an online troller due to your one-sided faggotry. Crying out things like… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
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/V/boy
Guest

@VoiceoftheYellowtards:

Honestly, you exposed your own stupidity. As if Crappler, er, Rappshit, ehem, Crappler is a credible source w/o even realizing that it was a Yellow media outlet not only known for its bias but also known for its sycophantic journalism.

If you want to shoot yourself in the foot, please make sure that everyone should never see it.

TheVoiceofReason
Guest
Yeah of u do not agree with us uninformed, midinformed fliptards then you must be with the yellow party. I asked for facts. None were supplied. Just anticdotes from questionable sources. Atleast rappler has enough journalistic integrity to cite it sources and have legitment ones. Enjoy your low iq circle jerk. I think u guys will enjoy martial law. Because people that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Coming to a Philippines near you. I am so glad i am not you. You have a rude awakening or realism coming straight for you. Pls insults now…… Read more »
/pol/mann
Guest
You didn’t even ask for facts; you’re just asking for ‘facts’ that is fitting for your tastes. Not facts that are unbiased, unadulterated. I have all. Atleast rappler has enough journalistic integrity to cite it sources and have legitment ones. Enjoy your low iq circle jerk. I think u guys will enjoy martial law. Because people that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You showed your own intellectual level of incompetence by clinging to Crappler, ehem, Rappler while ignoring about their background and their own series of biases. Journalistic integrity, my ass. News flash: people like… Read more »
TheVoiceofReason
Guest

Maria resa wrote the article i posted?
When did she turn into someone else?

/pol/mann
Guest
So it turns out that the writer of the article is another crook named Lisandro “Leloy” Claudio. In case you don’t notice, that guy is a staunch Aquino follower, an anti-Marcos douche, and a leftist prick (he’s a member of Akbayan). And guess what, he’s just as biased as every Pinoy historian in existence. A Flipino historian from the US exposed his inaccuracies and blunders: http://www.flippinflips.org/#!PART-1-Exposing-the-BULLSHIT-of-GMA7-Severino-and-Dr-Lisandro-Claudio-about-Martial-Law/cyyj/56ca7cf10cf2d76542b5a240 Oh yeah, since Maria Ressa is the CEO of cRappler, she accepts these kinds of articles. You have no idea how much sensationalized media is in the Philippines. And now you expect to believe… Read more »
Anton Hellgate
Guest

This puts anything cRappler puts out straight to the garbage bin. From a Martial Law “victim” to boot:

http://www.manilatimes.net/why-not-ask-ramos-and-enrile-about-martial-law-abuses/247486/

So enough of the histrionics. PNoy cant even go after the ones who killed his father despite the awesome power of the office of the president. Historical revisionism? Fair enough. But who’s doing it? Aquinos or Marcoses? There lies the question. =) Cheers.

Kosaku Kawajiri
Guest

He even made himself an idiot by calling that Manila Times article as an ‘opinion’ piece. Seems he have never heard about who Rigoberto Tiglao is. That man lived during Martial law. And explained his side of the story.

Anton Hellgate
Guest

Well what can you do? We can’t change the guy’s mind anymore than he can change ours. It’s just a game of ‘I told you sos” that we’re playing, that’s all. He in his side of the board, and we on ours. =) That’s it. But he’s still welcome to spew his moronism on this page to his heart’s content.

SO WHAT ?
Guest

if he went after the people who killed his father he would have the USA military bombing the Palais you idiot.

Anton Hellgate
Guest

And I love you too. =)

d_forsaken
Guest

Say not in grief: “He is no more”, but live in thankfulness that he was.

domo
Guest

Sheesh you yellowturds are as desperate as those minions of bin laden. You love to accuse us and this site as pro-marcos then? Well now, you bitches are drug users do you?

celest
Guest
What would a reasonable president have done at the time of multiple insurgencies and widespread criminality? Is it the sole decision of the president if he is to declare martial law or does he have to consult with gov’t for its prescription? Would there be collateral damage from martial law being carried out? Who are those that gained advantage from the ousting of former Pres. Marcos? Is it the “taongbayan”? One could even argue that former President FEM was capable of more wealth than the country had at the time. But of course we’re not obliged to reveal our sources.
Shinobu Sensui
Guest
The noisiest ones about the “evils” of that era are those who did not even live through it. So yeah, we can use that “you were not there” bullshit argument they like to throw around as well. Because if the likes of Tiglao, Alex Magno et al (not to mention a few million others who actually lived during and liked the era for whatever reason) — people who actually fought during that time — can have a different and lucid perspective than the baying dogs who keep on harping about the supposed evil of the Marcoses and the saintly virtues… Read more »
Aeta
Guest

Let us allow Marcos to rest in peace as we allow the Yellow Party to go away in peace.

Daniel Ali
Guest

Make no mistake, the yellow did not topple Marcos, the US/CIA did kidnapped Marcos and left malakanyang open for the rampaging marauders.

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