Why I Find Vitriol Against ‘Homophobes’ Disturbing

Over the weekend, 8 time world boxing champion and senatorial candidate, Rep. Manny Pacquiao, got himself on the receiving end of verbal flurries from netizens and celebrities that were probably a lot more stinging than the beating he took from his arch-rival Juan Manuel Marquez. This happened after he expressed his disagreement on same-sex marriage by reasoning what he believed to be the nature of things as exemplified by the animal kingdom. What seems to have made netizens and celebrities so infuriated was Pacquiao’s assertion that homosexuals are worse than animals. Now I don’t agree with Pacquiao’s assertion that homosexuals are worse than animals and his opposition to same-sex marriage is nothing new. What I actually find disturbing is the vitriol being spewed by the pro-gay crowd against someone who doesn’t share their views.

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Consider singer and proud lesbian Aiza Seguerra’s words for Pacquiao:

“I am so fuckin’ mad I don’t know what to say.

“You might’ve done our country proud but with your statement, you just showed the whole country why we shouldn’t vote for you.

“And yes, I think you are an ignorant, bigoted hypocrite.

“You made me lose all respect that I had for you, Mr. Pacquiao.”

First of all, I find no issues with Seguerra not voting for Pacquiao. Afterall, Seguerra is a proud lesbian and a believer in same-sex marriage. However, it is one thing not to vote for Pacquaio because he doesn’t share your beliefs, it is another thing to suggest why the whole country should not vote for Pacquiao just because Pacquiao doesn’t believe in same-sex marriage. Is Seguerra suggesting that the whole country ought to believe in same-sex marriage and ought to only vote for pro same-sex marriage folks?

So what is Seguerra’s basis for claiming that Pacquiao is ignorant, bigoted, and a hypocrite using Pacquiao’s views on same-sex marriage and homosexuals?

Last I checked, ignorant means “lacking in knowledge or training”. For Seguerra to call Pacquiao ignorant seems to suggest that she holds factual and indisputable knowledge about homosexuality. I find her description of Pacquiao to be quite arrogant as the topic of the nature of homosexuality itself is still being debated. I invite my readers to check out an interesting debate on the nature of homosexuality at http://www.debate.org. Mind you, the site merely offers a debate on opinions. The internet is replete with scientific claims and arguments on both sides. One striking question on the nature of homosexuality comes from Dr. Paul Vasey of the University of Lethbridge. If homosexuality is indeed natural and there is genetic basis for homosexuality, Dr. Vasey asks:

“How can a trait like male homosexuality, which has a genetic component, persist over evolutionary time if the individuals that carry the genes associated with that trait are not reproducing?”

This is certainly an evolutionary puzzle on homosexuality and I don’t believe there is a definitive answer to such a puzzle yet. So perhaps it may be argued that Pacquiao may be ignorant of the true nature of homosexuality, but this may go the same with Seguerra. I am reminded of an old Filipino proverb that says:

“The rattan basket criticizes that palm leaf basket, still both are full of holes.”

Next, is Pacquiao necessarily bigoted if he does not believe in same-sex marriage or even homosexuality as a natural phenomenon? The dictionary defines bigoted as being extremely intolerant of another’s creed, belief, or opinion. I don’t consider Pacquiao to be extremely intolerant of another’s creed, belief, or opinion. Actually, in comparing both Pacquiao’s and Seguerra’s words and demeanor, it appears that the latter has exhibited a closer description for the definition of bigoted. Although Pacquiao has been quite vocal and passionate about his religious beliefs, I haven’t seen any evidence of him persecuting other people who don’t share his views, let alone spew out the same level of venomous vitriol Seguerra has given.

Lastly, why is Pacquiao a hypocrite for stating his opposition to same-sex marriage? Last I heard, Pacquiao has never married a man throughout his life. So he believes that homosexuality is not natural and he bases his belief on his understanding of the Bible. So what? How does that make him a hypocrite? Doesn’t being a hypocrite entail actions that belie stated beliefs? Now one may argue that Pacquaio is being a hypocrite when he dished out a statement offensive to some of his fellow human beings (which is contrary to the Christian tenet of loving one another). But to say that he is a hypocrite just because he holds a different opinion on the nature of homosexuality and same-sex marriage is a bit of a stretch. I, for one, think that Pacquiao never intended to offend anyone when he stated his opinion. He was nice enough to apologize to the LGBT community while maintaining his views on same-sex marriage.

Last I heard, there is no law in the Philippines that abridges freedom of speech. I say this because I think this whole controversy is not just about perceptions of homophobia but the underlying threat of political correctness or mere appeasement to freedom of speech. Of course, the pro-gay folks would probably think that Seguerra’s hateful words on Pacquaio and her strong beliefs on homosexuality has nothing to do with her personal feelings for the need of self-validation. But what seems very disturbing is the notion that anyone who questions or even disagrees with the (liberal) narrative on homosexuality and same-sex marriage is automatically a bigoted ignorant homophobe. Can’t we see the irony there?

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Ilda
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“How can a trait like male homosexuality, which has a genetic component, persist over evolutionary time if the individuals that carry the genes associated with that trait are not reproducing?”

Aha…I have an answer to that: there are a lot of homosexuals who marry or have sexual relations with women and have children.

benign0
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The irony there is that it was the very social stigmatisation of homosexuals for centuries that drove them underground and forced them into mainstream heterosexual traditions that resulted in offspring that would go on to continue to propagate that DNA.

ChinoF
Member
I saw this thing about a study saying there’s likely to be no gay gene. I myself am not really convinced of its being genetic. But whether genetic or not, if there’s a gay person present, the issue for me is how one reacts. Should there already be condemnation and the bringing out of a shotgun, or will one just let them be? Nature vs. nurture doesn’t matter for me, I think that shouldn’t be the basis for determining how one should react to LGBTs. Also, someone in the FB group told me about the gay movement starters, Harry Hay… Read more »
Ilda
Admin

I can’t buy the notion that homosexuality is a choice. Why would a straight person choose to live a life that is still being shunned by a lot of people today? Besides, straight people are hard-wired into feeling repulsed by the idea of having sexual relations with people of the same sex.

Ptr. G. Ben M. Pabellon
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Ptr. G. Ben M. Pabellon
God’s word, The Bible already prepared a clear definitive answer for you about 2000 years ago. Do read it, you have nothing to lose and eternity to gain. God bless you. 18But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for… Read more »
benign0
Admin

It is when the Bible is referred to as the only source of “facts” to support all arguments, the intelligent discussion/conversation thus endeth…

Toby
Guest

Why would a grown person want to have sex with children? Is that also something that is hard wired? Then if they can’t help it who are we to judge….should this behavior also be debated?

Ilda
Admin

That’s different because they are preying on the vulnerable – children who are defenceless and who do not give their consent. Obviously it is an illness.

Aeta
Guest

Ptr. G. Ben M. Pabellon said a lot but really did not say anything—that applied to the rest of humanity.

Aeta
Guest

“It is when the Bible is referred to as the only source of “facts” to support all arguments, the intelligent discussion/conversation thus endeth…”

This is why when you are talking to a person holding a Bible, you are talking to an inanimate object. End of conversation.

Toby
Guest

“obviously it’s an illness” says Ilda…yeah because you said so and proved it scientifically….

Ilda
Admin

Yes, just in case you haven’t noticed, I am an expert in this topic. 😉

Pepe Rep
Guest
Hi Ilda, tell us how it is different with practicing homosexuals and pedophiles, if indeed one “condition” is hard-wired and the other is illness. I don’t see the object (vulnerable or not) of their sexual desires has got anything to do with their sexual desires being just different or defective. Anyway, I do think homosexual behaviour is a mix of genetics (tendencies, hormonal activity), environment (circumstances affecting sexual development) and volition (lifestyle choices). Volition is a very important factor in brain development, something like “neurons that fire together, wire together”, that’s how amazing our brains really are; our choices and… Read more »
Ilda
Admin

For me pedophilia is different from homosexuality. Pedophilia is about power – adults picking on someone not their size. I consider pedophilia an illness because pedophiles obviously do not have empathy for their victims.

Toby
Guest

Sexual orientation can be shaped, Ilda. That is what the current scientific studies say. In simpler terms, environment plays the bigger role.

Ilda
Admin

My response is in my next article. 😉

ChinoF
Member
I see why people use the “natural” argument. They believe one should be allowed to do only natural things, and unnatural things should be allowed. For me though, there are some unnatural things that are OK, but some natural things that are wrong. What if someone says, it is natural for me to kill someone when I’m angry with him; that would still be wrong. On the other hand, it is unnatural for humans to be flying. But we do so as a common form of travel. I might discuss more in an article but I’ve publish some others first.… Read more »
Rey G. Navarro
Guest

“Why should a straight person choose to live a life…” This is also what I am asking of alcoholics and gambling addicts, etc. Why do they choose their ways in spite of the havocs they make to their families? Interestingly many addictics and homosexuals have experienced “healing”. Perhaps, they just need to take the same medicine that only them can discover and know if they really want to be healed. Our duty now is to respect them and give all the supports they needed if they want to get healed.

Toby
Guest

For me pedophilia is different from homosexuality. Pedophilia is about power – adults picking on someone not their size. I consider pedophilia an illness because pedophiles obviously do not have empathy for their victims.

Care the share that to all the members of NAMBLA then?

My response is in my next article.

I know. What I am trying to tell you is that the current scientific research shows that there is no gay gene.

Bonny
Guest

By definition
Pedophilia: noun, Psychiatry.
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

This is not about power..it’s about sexual attraction. We are disgusted with this behavior and is currently not accepted in our society and rightly so. We label it an illness because a grown person is sexually attracted to a child. Is it fair for us to judge these people also…I’m here to say what is the difference?

oad777
Guest

Those children are adopted so they don’t carry any of their genes.

Lena
Guest

Enough throughout the centuries to ensure that the genetic component thrives? Are there related studies regarding this?

Pablo Solutin
Guest

Very well said. Many of those children became good citizens. My point is that there is always a choice. There is no perfect man or woman. Every one has a shade of both.

Trinity1
Guest

Aha…Then he or she is bisexual, not homosexual.

jaime
Guest

why would a man want to sex with another man? why would an adult want to have sex with a child? why would alcoholics, gamblers a addicts continue on being so even if it does not condone with society and even with the nature of existence itself?

The answer is simple, it is the work of the devil.

Shala
Guest

Hate begets hate

Dennis
Guest
My take on this is that if Pacquiao wants people especially the LGBT community to respect his stand against gay marriage or being gay as unnatural is that he has to back that up with a solid argument and I don’t mean quotes from the bible because not all people are catholic or christian. Just for reference on the part when he said that animals do not exhibit even the slightest gayness act here is a documentary video that you might find interesting: Link to YouTube video Also there are tons of articles online verify if you like that you… Read more »
Ilda
Admin

Problem is, for a lot of religious extremists, the Bible trumps other arguments even if it is backed up by science.

Toby
Guest

Backed up by science? Where is the scientific proof that homosexuality is passed on by DNA? There still is no scientific proof for that, so stop talking out of your ass. How do you define religious extremism? A person who follows the teachings of the bible is an extremist? Sounds more like a person who has a belief system, especially in this crazy world where “what I feel is what I believe” mentality. Don’t base your belief on your feelings, feelings can be very deceptive and not scientific……

Dennis
Guest

Since I’m bored I kinda did you a favor kindly check this out

Homosexuality may be caused by chemical modifications to DNA

Is being gay in your DNA? Homosexual men share genetic similarities, study claims

Look I like the bible I think the stories are inspirational and should be read by catholics and christians but some people really go to the extreme by being too fanatical about it.

Ilda
Admin

Gee…I can’t believe you didn’t get what I meant. Let me explain. When a closeted homosexual man marries or has sex with a woman and has kids, chances are, he could pass on his homosexual gene. It’s simple, really.

Aeta
Guest

Question 1: “How do you define religious extremists?”

Answer 1: Toby.

Question 2: Why?

Answer 2: Because the Bible tells him/she so.

Ilda
Admin

A religious extremist is someone who thinks everything in the Bible happened and is correct.

ChinoF
Member

An extremist claims their doctrine justifies their violent actions against others, even if their citation of the source could be wrong.

Joe
Guest

problem is, we keep justifying something that’s clearly unnatural.

Ilda
Admin

Huh? What if one of the most natural thing in the world for some people is to be attracted to people of the same sex?

Aeta
Guest

Joe,

God creating the world in six days and taking a siesta on the seventh? That’s natural? What happened to overtime?

Aeta

Jenny M.
Guest

Wrong. There are over 450 so cries that exhibit homosexual tendencies. Try educating yourself a bit.

Jenny M.
Guest

Species*

Aeta
Guest

That’s because the religious extremists’ lives are governed by fiction.

Ilda
Admin

Indeed.

Dennis
Guest

I could imagine the frustration of people who believed the earth was round trying to convince others that it’s not flat and that went on for years..you know in a few years probably a bit longer people will laugh that we had this kinds of issues. Same thing with the prohibition of marijuana but that’s for another topic..

Ilda
Admin

Tell me about it…sigh.

Aeta
Guest

Why would anyone in their right mind vote for this illiterate fool (Manny Pacquiao) anyway, even if he didn’t make that stupid comment against same-sex couples? Oh, nevermind. We’re talking about the Failippines, where fools vote for fools.

Xibalba
Guest

Best comment I’ve seen on this issue so far.

G
Guest

On the contrary, this probably increased his number of supporters. Before he was just the incompetent fool who took “underachieving” to the next level. Now he’s the stalwart defender of “Christian” values.

BC
Guest

Growing up knowing that you have a certain additional appendage or a lack of it yet still opting to play for the other team is a choice.

Jo
Guest

Pacman opened his mouth on something he does not agree with and he gets bulldozed. We now live in a society where it’s ok to be critical of Christians and Muslims but are all going up in arms when it’s about the LGBT issue.

Dennis
Guest

yeah because when you’re against something especially if you’re a “Law Maker” and running for a senate seat you better have a damn good argument on why you oppose it something that people regardless of race, religion or gender status can understand. And no quoting bible verses doesn’t count as logical basis.

It’s totally different when its just your average joe normal barkada inuman debate no one will care but maybe some of your gay friends

M
Guest

Why niot? He’s no better than you or your barkada.

Aeta
Guest

Jo,

That is because Christians and Muslims have been in the game of hypocrisy for far too long– in their own respective ways and against each other–and have done nothing to lessen the suffering in this world except add to it with their dogmas and doctrines. The world is tired of watching and listening to the same song and dance routine performed by the same cheesy characters. This observation is especially true with the people of the Failippines.

Aeta

Toby
Guest

Homosexuality was classified as a mental illness before, the same as how pedophilia is classified. Homosexuality enters mainstream. Now closet pedophiles in the UK government elites and among professional authors now starting to defend and even speak in favor of pedophilia and people they know who are pedophiles.

There is no more slippery slope here. It has come to pass.

Aeta
Guest

Toby,

You got it all wrong. Pedophilia is a mental illness and no one in their right mind is going to try defend it, especially when an adult and a child is involved. Heterosexuality and Homosexuality is not–whether it is written in your DNA, a tendency, or orientation. The only slippery slope is how you, as an individual, defines Homosexuality and Pedophilia.

Aeta

Toby
Guest

Aeta,

Your opinion simply show that you ignorant of the current views being expressed in the West regarding pedophilia.

A good place to start is SFW Association.

Homosexuality has been redefined several since the 19th in the medical and scientific community.

So, tell me, how does individual definition play any part in the discussion?

Aeta
Guest

Toby,

I can think of far worse acts that Christian fundamentalists like yourself have committed in this world, than two people being involved in a homosexual relationships. What I have told you is not based on ignorance, but on realizing and accepting the truth that life in this world is not black or white, or a perfect square like you imagined it to be.

Aeta

Aeta
Guest

Toby,

“So, tell me, how does individual definition play any part in the discussion?”

I was going to ask you the same question. You just beat me to the punch. So go ahead.

Aeta

Toby
Guest

Aeta,

I like how assuming you are on how I view life in this world. *chuckle*

You raised the “individual definition”. Your problem. Not mine.

2 people being involve in homosexual relation is just the same as any other people in a sexual relationship.

But it does not necessarily follow that it should be considered marriage material.

I can also think of much much worse acts done by people who are atheists. But that is besides the point.

So, is there anything else you want discuss regarding same-sex marriage?

Aeta
Guest
Toby, “I like how assuming you are on how I view life in this world. *chuckle*” I don’t assume anything. I just know a fundamentalist when I meet one. Nice to meet you, Toby. “You raised the ‘individual definition.’ Your problem. Not mine.” Oh, you mean the ‘individual definition’ which you cannot define? Forget it. Dennis had to define for you that heterosexuals and homosexual can also commit pedophilia. “2 people being involve in homosexual relation is just the same as any other people in a sexual relationship.” That is what a sexual relationship is. Two or more people. Unless,… Read more »
Dennis
Guest

lol they also said that blacks, browns, reds, yellow races are inferior to the whites.

you’re confusing pedophilia and homosexuality. Straight men and women can also be pedophiles.

you’re a hard NUT to crack

Toby
Guest

Your reading comprehension sucks.

Dennis
Guest

haha that’s your comeback??? troll harder

Aeta
Guest

Dennis,

“you’re confusing pedophilia and homosexuality. Straight men and women can also be pedophiles.”

Exactly. It’s hard for Toby to accept the fact that heterosexuals can be as guilty of pedophilia as homosexuals.

That’s all right, Toby. You don’t have to answer the question on “individual definition.” Dennis had already answered it for you.

Aeta

Dennis
Guest

aeta

this (toby) dude is obviously trolling, but haven’t really mastered the dark art hahaha..

Anyway good chatting guys I think I already made my point.

till next time:)

Cheerio!

Aeta
Guest

Toby needs a tissue to wipe the wetness behind his ears. He’s still very green about life. Take Care, man.

Toby
Guest
Bwahahaha!! Where did I define homosexuality as synonymous with pedophilia? I’ll wait was you flinch. Marriage is so overrated these days that it has become a joke. I know many Christians who are just as promiscuous being married as they were being single. Again, nothing is as black and white as you imagined it to be. You are showing your ignorance again. Haha! No, not really, but I’m not the one who is having an issue with same-sex marriage. You are. Good. haha that’s your comeback??? That’s cute. Maybe a little upgrade on your accusation prowess and maybe you won’t… Read more »
Aeta
Guest

Toby,

You need more life experience. Not just from your own life, but learning from other people’s lives as well. You obviously have been deluded by the school of thought you attended and failed to understand that an ice cream has more than one flavor. You may not want to taste all the flavors, but you need to understand why people like them.

Aeta

ChinoF
Member

In the end though, most people who vote for Pacquiao will not worry about his stances. They care more about his being famous (Pride ng Pinoy, Pride chicken) and his being magaling na boxingero (which has no relation to politics at all, but hey, there are people who consider that as a qualification). People are mostly acting on mob mentality in the Philippines.

778Hyden007Toro89898.99
Guest
778Hyden007Toro89898.99
Let us TONE DOWN the “inflammatory rhetoric” on both sides of the issue. Manny Pacquiao is only, speaking what he believes in; same as those in the LGBT community. We still don’t know the causes of homosexuality. However, I have a Hindu Friend, from India, who is my co worker, who believes in Reincarnation. His belief is, the Planet Earth, is like a large school house, where we learn good lessons, to perfect our spirit/soul. We learn the lessons of: love, tolerance, humility, etc… So, if you were a Woman in your previous life. Then come back in this life… Read more »
Rene
Guest

. . .and hopefully Binay,as one big, fat-bellied crocodile!

Toby
Guest

Let us TONE DOWN the “inflammatory rhetoric” on both sides of the issue.

My side will tone down AFTER the other side tones down.

Cause and effect, guys and gals.

You simply get what you give.

Jovani A. Laguidao
Guest
Don’t go to Church and believe in the Bible if you agreed with those homosexuals… let it be accursed… 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like UNREASONING ANIMALS, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and LIKE ANIMALS they too will perish. 13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning;… Read more »
MidwayHaven
Guest

Yeah, pound that bible!

edgar leones
Guest

Manny…is just following what the Bible is saying. Manny’s comment did not originate from him, but from the mouth of God.

MidwayHaven
Guest

Except that, even when God became man in the form of Jesus, whatever Manny said never came from God’s mouth.

Ben
Guest
Here’s a simple analogy of Pacquiao’s stupidity. I’m inside a store to buy Coke and Pacquiao doesn’t even know me but then he tells me to buy Pepsi instead. Who are you to tell me what to buy? I made my choice and if you don’t like it, just shut your mouth. That is called respect. I admire you and respect you as a boxer but that’s the extent of it. Congressman? And maybe senator? I don’t think so buddy. Go get an education first then, maybe I’ll reconsider. You don’t have to be a politician to help the people… Read more »
Danny
Guest
I love people regardless of their “sexual preference”, and I will never condemned them. That’s just me. At the same time, God loves also all people, regardless of their sexual preference. God loves every person so much that he gave His only begotten Son for the whole world to die on the cross, so that He who believes on Jesus’s death of redemption will have everlasting life, the Bible declares. If a person rejects God’s gift, His Son Jesus, He still loves that person, but will not force that person to love Him back. Love by force is not love… Read more »
Lena
Guest

Marriage is a sacrament from God, based on the New Testamen. It is between one man and one woman. Modern man legalized it.? Now, since the LGBT community does not adhere to the Biblical teachings of man/woman relationship, why opt for ‘marriage’? Why not legalize the union by entering into a contract?

Aeta
Guest

“Marriage is a sacrament from God, based on the New Testamen[t]”

I prefer to believe in humanity; it has a more practical application, than the triviality of religion, on marriages and relationships. In fact, before you get married in church, you have to legalized the union first by getting a marriage license/contact. Therefore, a church wedding is just a formality that each religion dictates.

elizabeth campo
Guest

A very sound reasoning, Aeta, Two thumbs up!

Mangyan
Guest
Really Aeta? Are you an Atheist? Read this: WORLD VIEW. There are only 2: Theistic and Atheistic. Religions have been around since the beginning of mankind. The major religions (Baha’i, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, and Zoroastrianism), have always taught marriage was between a man and a woman, men and woman or man and women. Only in modern society have the original religions become “liberal” to the concept of same-sex marriage. But those who are true to their original religious teachings all share the same understanding in their doctrines of marriage. Heck, even legal systems… Read more »
Jenny M.
Guest

So you don’t consider being called worse than animal a bigoted view? Try searching for the word moron. It clearly defines you

Mike
Guest

Homosexual is a personality disorder. Why would i listen or even let me convince by people with personality disorder.

Aeta
Guest

Mike,

Sticking to your religious or political dogmas and doctrines is also a personality disorder, especially when you refuse to acknowledge that others will live their lives the way they want to.

Aeta

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