A mockery of justice: The Trayvon Martin case (An Open Letter to President Obama)

trayvon_martinBelow is the statement issued by President Obama:

“The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin.”

Comment:

I agree with Mr. Obama that the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy, categorically disagree with him that because the jury has spoken his calling for all Americans to engage in a so-called “calm reflection” from two parents who lost their young son.

The question there is: under the prevailing circumstances, how to remain calm? Why would the parents of that young black teenager will going to reflect on the whole tragic event?

Mr. Obama, you yourself is also a parent and may I remind you of your own words last year with regard to this incident:

“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”

Do you remember, sir?

During that period when the controversy is raging, you made a searingly personal plea for Americans to come together and do some “soul searching” after the shooting death of that African-American Florida teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighbourhood watchman.

You further added that:

“My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. And you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we’re get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

“All of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen — and that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened as well as the specifics of the incident.

“Obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.”

Do you still recall all of these words, sir?

Yes, your country is known as a government of laws, not of men; but that bastard trigger happy “white Hispanic” (whatever the hell that means!) has put the laws into his hands and killed a human being.

Yes, your jury has spoken, but it does not mean that they’ve spoken the truth or decided the right thing!

I questioned the wisdom and the propriety of their ruling and bluntly accusing them for being biased and unfair.

I am condemning your nation’s so-called “legal” concept of “Stand Your Ground” laws that allowed a bloody bastard murderer like your Zimmerman to walk free on the night that he shot cold-bloody and killed arbitrarily the unarmed 17-year-old Martin.

I am also condemning that lobbying group known as ALEC that is one of your numerous ultraright-wing groups that crafted this so-called law”.

Who or what are this bullshit ALEC?

According to the Global Occupy Movement:

“ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) is a tool for corporations to obtain access to thousands of legislators, helping them to work hand in hand to develop profitable legislation. ALEC says it promotes “free-market and conservative ideas”, including: resolutions against increasing the minimum wage, against attempts by the EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions, against “comparable worth” legislation that would encourage equal pay for women, privatization of prisons and replacing unionized workers with prison labor, protection of companies engaged in cruel and unnecessary animal testing, etc.”

You are asking sir, how would you as an individual and as a nation, will prevent a horrible tragedy like this from occurring again in the future?

That is a good question, yet have you also asked the other equally important question: did your world-renowned justice system render genuine and correct justice to Trayvon?

Also, pertinent to the ultimate resolution of this case is the question that you, sir need to address is: what is your position with regard to this ALEC group?

I believe that the correct way and proper manner of honoring Trayvon is not only in curbing your gun laws, but also by giving that poor boy the justice that he, his family and all people like them, who are similarly situated — deserve!

Undoubtedly, another utterly important way of honoring Trayvon is to order your Department of Justice to review the whole case.

We all know the truth that this case is yet another classic example of racial injustice, preposterous prolifing, arrogance, ignorance and extreme discrimination!

Do something, sir, before the whole of your people goes out to the street to demand justice!

Because there is no iota of doubt that in the end, WE ARE ALL TRAYVON MARTIN!

Of all the people, you should be the first one to protest this indescribable travesty and mockery of justice, you as being the first Black American president of the United States of America.

Please fulfill your father’s dream!

That is how we honor the boy and making sure that he did not die in vain!

In the stirring words of Frederick Douglass:

“At a time like this, scorching irony, not convincing argument, is needed. O! Had I the ability, and could reach the nation’s ear, I would, today, pour out a fiery stream of biting ridicule, blasting reproach, withering sarcasm, and stern rebuke. For it is not light that is needed, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake. The feeling of the nation must be quickened; the conscience of the nation must be roused; the propriety of the nation must be startled; the hypocrisy of the nation must be exposed; and its crimes against God and man must be proclaimed and denounced.” (The Meaning of July Fourth for the Negro, July 5, 1852)

Hence, based on that, sir, let me issue again my disgust and dissent: I am denouncing to the utmost the utterly idiotic and impertinent ruling reached by that ridiculous jury and I am also condemning in part the racism still prevalent in your country and the double standard of your overall so-called justice system.

My solidarity to the family of Trayvon Martin and all victims of violence, racism, and discrimination like him!

WE ARE ALL TRAYVON! JUSTICE FOR MARTIN! JUSTICE FOR ALL!!!

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About Jose Mario de Vega

The writer has a Master’s degree in Philosophy, a law degree and a degree in AB Political Science. He was previously teaching Philosophy, Ethics and Anthropology at an institution of higher education in the Nilai University College at Nilai, Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia. He is currently a lecturer at the College of Arts, Department of Philosophy at the Polytechnic University of the Philippines.

As of the moment, he is preparing to publish his first book entitled “Dissidente”. It is a collection of his articles, commentaries and op-ed published by various newspapers in Southeast Asia.

Post Author: Jose Mario de Vega

The writer has a Master’s degree in Philosophy, a law degree and a degree in AB Political Science. He was previously teaching Philosophy, Ethics and Anthropology at an institution of higher education in the Nilai University College at Nilai, Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia. He is currently a lecturer at the College of Arts, Department of Philosophy at the Polytechnic University of the Philippines.

As of the moment, he is preparing to publish his first book entitled “Dissidente”. It is a collection of his articles, commentaries and op-ed published by various newspapers in Southeast Asia.

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jcc
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Where are the inbred thinkers here who think that American insitutions which are not patronage-based are much better than the patronage-based RP system? They can both fucked-up real bad…

Dysfunction is not the exclusive domain of the Pinoys..

benign0
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Tsk tsk. You can see the way you consistently miss entire points because of the way you take every opportunity to express some butthhurt you experienced in other threads. Kawawang attorney (with a small “a”). 😀

Chris
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An astute observation regarding the rantings of the Sidecar Citizen. From reading his half-baked theories on American politics and his revisionist history, I would say he probably agrees with Jose, but still wanted to attack him.

benign0
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@Chris: Yeah. It’s not wether or not “attorney” JCC agreed or disagreed with this article, it’s about whether he understood the point it was trying to make or, on his part, made any point in any of the comments he’s made thus far to begin with.

Amir Al Bahr
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Like a typical Pinoy, you will always find a way to say that Pinoys are superior to or are better off than foreigners in some way even when it is totally irrelevant to the main point being discussed.

Have you ever considered asking for a refund from where you studied law, Mr. abogado de patola?

jcc
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i am not saying that pinoys are superiors… i am just appaled by the way you pick on pinoys…

Amir Al Bahr
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Hahaha. i am just appaled by the way you pick on pinoys… What is “pick on Pinoys” for you, is, for people with bigger minds and free of the pa-victim inaapi mentality which you have just shown so exquisitely, criticism and opportunities to improve. Perhaps then, Pinoys need to think about how they can stop being a target (easy at that) for “pick-on” by actually proving that they can learn from past mistakes. Besides, that other cultures have dysfunctions like Pinoys do has never been an excuse for them to be complacent about their own dysfunctions. I wonder if you… Read more »
Chris
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Nice to hear from the Sidecar Citizen, who would still be sitting around drinking Redhorse with his barcada if not for his wife wanting a better life in America.At least you are not weighing in on the situation, for it would show your ignorance.

jcc
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hehehe… a typical of a white american flaunting his superiority complex over an indio.. 🙂

i will not go down your level padre by using gutter language…

contrary to your inuendo that my skill is at the level of notary public, i have records for suing big companies and won the case against them. I sued PLDT and Gokongwei’s Ramada Chain of HOtels. I won both cases Ramada did not appeal the case to the higher court so there was no record of it online but i can fax you my case file.

here is PLDT’s case:

http://ca.judiciary.gov.ph/cardis/CV69255.pdf

benign0
Admin

Lol…

a typical of a white american flaunting his superiority complex over an indio…

An excellent example of that renowned Victim Mentality typical of Da Pinoy. 😀

jcc
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hehehe… that is conclusionary.. no basis in fact your honor… i am just showing that i am superior to this white guy your honor and not the other way around… 🙂

the use of “flaunting a white american superiority complex over an indio” is being used sarcastically your honor.. 🙂

please compare his language to my language your honor. there is some decency in mine, his is pure gutter.

Chris
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Have you passed the BAR Exam in the US yet? Sorry for my “Gutter language”. I am only a high school grad. I never said I am superior to you. I just said that your reasoning is flawed. Based on your other comments about the US, I would describe you as a “low information voter” though.

Chris
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The comment regarding the notary skills was aimed at the author, who in addition to a degree in law, possesses numerous other degrees and has taught anthropology among other useful fields of study. He is clearly a professional student turned indoctrinator with no actual applicable experience.It was not aimed at you, JCC.

Chris
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I am really suprised the Sidecar Citizen does not agree with Jose as he, even though he lives in America has a flawed understanding.

Jack C
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Before writing anything about the Treyvon-Zimmerman case, especially with this whole tripe, be sure to read the facts please, especially in this section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Misleading_audio_editing_by_NBC There’s also this issue about Treyvon’s past misdemeanors being covered up by the media: http://patdollard.com/2013/06/trayvon-martins-involvement-in-local-burglaries-covered-up-by-media-school-police/ They never even brought up the contents of Treyvon’s cellphone, where he makes texts describing how he beats the crap out of people, matching his MO on how he physically overwhelmed Zimmerman. And if you’ve been around ghettos here in the US, you see 6′ 15-18 year old kids mugging, burglarizing and beating the crap out of people in certain areas,… Read more »
jcc
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Those past misbehavior if any are irrelevant In the same way that the past behavior of Zimmerman beating up his wife was not relevant.

Besides the Federal rules of evidence, which I am sure is also part of the Florida rules of evidence, prohibits the defendant to present evidence against victim’s previous “misconduct” unless ‘good conduct’ is introduced by Treyvon. The evidence is considered highly prejudicial and therefore inadmissible because the jury would look at the previous misconduct which is not being litigated to influence them on the issue at bar, the ‘shooting to death of Treyvon.’

Jack C
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Irrelevant in what way? As far as the trial, they already have enough evidence to render Zimmerman not guilty of anything and lack any evidence to convict him to anything judging from the facts presented. These past behavior is completely relevant in justifying Zimmerman’s behavior, as well as describe the context of his situation on why he needed to keep close tabs on all strangers that come to his neighborhood and how he feels he’s responsible for the safety of these previously victimized neighbors whom he has a close-knit connection to. And as repeatedly stated, Zimmerman was told he didn’t… Read more »
jack
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Enough about Trayvon, it’s over. If you don’t like it, lump it.

Chris
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Jose, maybe you should stick to Philippine issues. You have a poor understanding of the race issue in the US, the 2nd amendment, and this case in particular. I realize one of your many degrees is in law, and have no doubt that you are a very capable Notary. President Obama is one of the most devisive presidents in American history. Race relations were much better before he entered office. He is from the school of Divide and Conquer. ln 5 years he has managed to set the black population back several decades. President Obama, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson… Read more »
jcc
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Okay, I am not expecting an objective analysis from you because you are an Obama critic (hater). But which American culture I did not understand? Your jury system is flawed just like our judge-managed trial.. I watched the trial. He stalked the black teenager, suspected him to be a criminal, initiated the confrontation, the victim reacted by punching him. Who would not be upset if you were being followed at nighttime and asked about your business in the neighborhood? Zimmerman could be a mugger. But the measure of self defense is this: “Reasonable belief of an imminent injury to life.”… Read more »
benign0
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Kawawa naman si attorney de Patola (“attorney” with a small “a” and “Patola” with a big “P”). He is too fixated on comparing the surot that is the Just-tiis system of Da Pinas with the Justice System of the United States. The latter not being perfect (as any moron can declare) but a system that still works relatively.

jcc
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hehehe… i have already given you a proof that i am not attorney with small a and de patola, but you keep regurgitating that “inbred” labelling on my person.. don’t get fixated on me.. discuss the issues? 🙂

jcc
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BTW Benigno, here, I have saved the neck of one Avelino Barasona from life imprisonment… Please click on the link below then click on the “syllabus” on the right hand corner then go to the bottom left hand corner of the page, you will see JCC as the lawyer of Avelino Barasona.
Just making sure that contrary to your appendage on my person as attorney de patola, I have served people of humble origin — pennyless victims of injustice. May I ask, for your credential please. You seem to know everything.

http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/1996/oct1996/119014.htm

benign0
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Dude, my comments on your being an attorney de Patola (“attorney” with a small “a” and “Patola” with a big “P”) were based on my observations on the comments you make here within the domain of GRP. Nothing more, nothing less. As such, I now find it kinda pathetic that you’d dig up something out of your resume to present to this forum. Considering you’ve indicated the smallness of your regard for us many times, it comes across as quite ironic that you now see us as important enough to present your CV before us to behold. You reall have… Read more »
jcc
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You engaged in-name calling yet you consider it not an insult… You can just say I missed the point but you have to regurgitate your abogado de patola narrative like an old-broken record. I post arguments if i missed your point you can plainly point where i missed it sans the insult. I have never called you wannabe-social genius who was fortunate to be the only one awake when the good Lord ditributed talents to the world.

Seriously, Benign0, have you finished your college degree and from where?

Jack C
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He didn’t “stalk” Treyvon (which I won’t refer to as “victim”), he was following him to keep track of him, which isn’t against the law. This is to make sure this potential burglar (according to the profile of the suspects that come around the area, who apparently are always wearing hoodies) won’t get away, likely in reaction to all the burglaries that happened in that particular neighborhood, and how they were able to get away before the police arrives. One can speculate that he was ambushed at this point, due to the damage Zimmerman received, while Treyvon doesn’t have any… Read more »
jcc
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I am not making this a racial issue.. It is right or wrong… I have watched the televised for two weeks so my basis of saying that the acquittal was in error was based on the evidence on trial.

some people see the race issue, but i do not.. it is purely a right or wrong issue.

Jack C
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Even if it were just a right or wrong issue, according to the law Zimmerman was on the right, which led to his acquittal. As for the issue with the dispatcher, Zimmerman was suggested not to follow, but not ordered to (“you don’t have to follow…” excerpt). Take note that this is a dispatcher, not a cop, whom Zimmerman was on the phone with. With that, according to evidence and testimonies, Zimmerman is not guilty of breaking any law. A lot of what’s “right” or “wrong” beyond what’s presented in court is pure speculation and should have no bearing at… Read more »
Jetlag807
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Our “jury system is flawed”? OJ won an acquittal because 1) the prosecution screwed-up the case and 2) there was plenty of “reasonable doubt”! Our system is flawed? Zimmeran was charged, tried and acquitted already! Meanwhile in the Philippines the Maguindanao Massacre trail is still in pre-trail! Our system is flawed? What happened to the Filipinos who beat to death a US Marine near Rockwell? Those bastards have yet to see the inside of a courtroom let alone a jail cell! Our system is flawed? I just watched a group of cops (in Davao) murder a suspect in broad daylight!… Read more »
jcc
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heheehe .. you don’t even know the stand your ground rules. even if you knew it, the measure of self-defense is “reasonable fear of imminent injury to life.” he stalked, he confronted the victim, he is armed. in no way that he entertains imminent injury to life because he was prepared for it. he armed himself.

jcc
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heheheeee… please don’t go that route.. you will be red on your face all over.

who annihilated the native indians from virginia, arizona, kentucky all the way to the appalachian mountains… 🙂

Jetlag807
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@jcc … Whatever dude. I can see by each and everyone of your comments here that you are confused. Your lack of intellect is only matched by your complete lack of focus and maturity. I’ll go whatever route I choose with you… Give up now son. Your arms are way too short to box with me!

Johnny Saint
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And apparently the bogus “attorney” jcc knows even less about “reasonable fear of imminent injury to life.” The point of contention was whether at the time of the shooting Zimmerman felt he was in fear for his life. The acquittal shows the jury made the distinction that when a person is being straddled and pummeled by another physically more powerful individual, his head being bashed against concrete sidewalk — as Zimmerman was — that person may well fear “imminent injury to [his] life” and is justified to use any means at his disposal to protect himself. Even if he brought… Read more »
jcc
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dude, if only you watch what is happening now, you will see the public divided on the verdict.

your point being half of the american public are not intelligent…:)

Jose Mario De Vega
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Chris, say also your words to those American people who are now rallying all across the nation! You talk about American culture, as if the Philippines were not colonized (and still being influenced the GI Joe’s) and taught (brain-washed) by the Americans to be “civilized”! You talk about laws! Yet I do not know whether you know that nearly half of Philippines laws are cloned from US laws! Number one is the Constitution! This case in particular? Very simple! It is just a case of that so-called stupid “Stand Your Ground” brouhaha! By the way, your Obama is spying on… Read more »
Jack C
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It doesn’t matter if Philippine law is derived from American law. Being thousands of miles away, almost opposite sides of the world, as well as the cultural context that differentiates American and Filipino life makes the environment of law quite different between the Philippines and the US. Not that it matters, because according to the law, Zimmerman would be rightfully acquitted. So long as there’s no shenanigans and the law was truly followed, Zimmerman would be acquitted in both the American justice system and that of the Philippines’. If you want to go as far as colonization and law, we… Read more »
jcc
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“The jury system,” Mark Twain famously observed, “puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty, and a premium upon ignorance, stupidity, and perjury.” “I desire to tamper with the jury law,” Twain continued, “to so alter it as to put a premium on intelligence and character, and close the jury box against idiots, blacklegs, and people who do not read newspapers” (pp.57-58).
Mark Twain is an Amerian.

http://www.gvpt.umd.edu/lpbr/subpages/reviews/jonakait604.htm

Yes, Americans apply things differently….

Jack C
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@jcc If the jury are idiots, why do we still use them?

jcc
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“Professor Mark Findlay of Sydney University, did a study of jurors for the Australian Institute of Judicial Administration, In Jury Management in NSW (1994), he reported that he had access to a diary kept by a woman juror during a long trial. On the firs day, a majority decided that the accused must be guilty because he wore an earring; he looked too glitzy; he was ugly and hence proably bad; and his lawyer looked positively evil. During the trial, the majority, led by a handsome banker ‘only listened to evidence or argument which reinforced their conclusion of guilt.’ The… Read more »
jcc
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US Chief Justice (1969-86) Warren Burger told the American Bar Association in 1984:

“Trials by adversarial contest (meaning jury trial) must in time go the way the ancient trial by battle and blood. Our system is too costly, too painful too destructive, too inefficient for a truly civilized people.” (Serial Liars, Get The Money and Get The Criminals Off, Evan Whitton)

Jack C
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@jcc A classic threaten the witness or jury. Happens all the time when there’s no proper protection, so what’s your point? Anyone can be bought off and threatened? If anything, the jury are more in danger if they commit to a “not guilty” verdict, especially with the riots that are going on right now here in LA.

So you don’t want juries anymore? How about we get rid of the judges and lawyers and just lynch whoever is accused, guilty or not guilty? That seems the be where your point seems to be going.

jcc
Guest

maybe because of the soap opera drama, the money that comes with it (lawyers fee, book deals), entertainment.. 🙂

jcc
Guest

Justice Burger proposed an investigative judicial system, maybe like one in RP where Judge decides, but as I said in my very first post, both can screw up big time…

Systems are imperfect… But to say that justice has been served to Trayvon Martin is a stretch….

Combuzz
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Not to mention there are difference between State and Federal laws. (I practice tax and the two types of laws makes compliance a bit tricky.)

jcc
Guest
You were citing Federal Law or Florida Law? What is determinative in this case is the Florida Law, you called “Stand Your Ground.” But it has its roots from common law which protects you from your home, if invaded, you have to repel the invasion by reasonable force. That if the burglar simply wants to rob, you cannot shot him. But this principle was outdated, and recent decisions make it possible to ‘stand your ground’ and shoot the burglar. There is no necessity that you have to be pummeled first before you can fight back. So the premise is that… Read more »
jcc
Guest
“Putting a premium to ignorance” according to Mark Twain…. In Michigan, the juror is paid $40 a day for jury service. I would say that across the States the pay would less than the average minimum wage a rank-and-file would receive. If you were receiving more than what a juror is being paid, you will always find excuse to avoid the service. Thus it is safe to say that when called for jury duty, these people can always find an excuse not to render it. The first question ask: “Have you read the newspaper about this case? Have you watched… Read more »
Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
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Jose Mario Dolor De Vega

Jack for your information, a lot of Philippine laws are also derived from Spanish laws, specifically Criminal Law, Revised Penal Code or Codigo Penal!

In the end, it doesn’t really matter what the hell is the source of the law, the ultimate question is: is it just?

In the case at bar, is that utterly stupid so-called “stand your ground” thing a just and fair law?

That is the point!

If the answer is in the affirmative, then I say: Welcome to the bloody wild, wild west! Bang, bang, boom, boom, boom! Hiyyyaaahhhh! Bwahahahaha!!!

Jim Arndt
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@ Jose,

I can get thousands of people to rally for the death of a Ham Sandwich.

Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
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Jose Mario Dolor De Vega

Go ahead, Jim, that is your prerogative! Show your being preposterous and highlight your stupidity of the highest order to the whole world!

Jim Arndt
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@ Jose
No its your ignorance of the US justice system when Stand Your Ground was not part of this case and the progressive media hyping the case to race bait. In the US when two people have an altercation and one is killed and one lives and claims self defense with no witnesses they are not arrested. My comment stands that you can hype anything to cause protest but I guess with your high education in Philosophy you failed to see the that point.

Chris
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Jose – The US colonized The Philippines for a mere 50 or so years. The Filipino mindset and culture is based more on the efforts of the Spanish for over 300 years. I realize that the Philippine constitution is based on the US Constitution, however the interpretation and implementation is not the same plus numerous Republic Acts have changed the laws of the land to suit the wants and desires of those in charge at the time. I do not see “Stand Your Ground” as something that even needs to be legislated. I see it as a human right to… Read more »
Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
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Jose Mario Dolor De Vega

The world will be a better place without those stupid laws, if there is true and genuine social, global justice and without imperialism!

Regards to Barack (hope he won’t succeed in getting Eric) and to Eric (hope he will find a safe refuge)!

corey
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This case has been so over blown. Everyday I can give you examples of innocent unarmed whites being killed by Blacks and they don’t get the press this did. The jury has spoken end of story. What I find preposterous are the gun laws that allow things like this to happen to begin with. Look at all the massacres that happened in the past year by insane lone gunman at schools, movie theaters, etc…all in states with liberal gun laws. Why does a constitution have to be so firm. They managed to screw one up here in the Philippines big… Read more »
kyper
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THANK YOU

Chris
Guest

Look at The shootings in Chicago on any given weekend – Black on Black, Completely ignored by Al, Jesse, and Barry. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the US. Criminals do not pay attention to laws. The only people disarmed by gun laws are citizens that obey them.

corey
Guest

But I am thinking that is gang violence or drug related and not so much against innocents. No matter as I am still for taking away guns from the public except for hunting using rifles and target shooting in which case guns stay at the range but, this is a whole other win less debate in itself.

Chris
Guest

You are right Corey, it is mostly gang and or drug related, however innocent children die in the crossfire every day. Gun control is a major issue that will never go away because of the 2nd amendment. Back to the article and the open letter to Obama, The President acted presidential and his statement helped maintain order directly after the verdict. Can you imagine if he would have repeated “If I had a son…” again? Lots of people have forgotten about Rodney king and the 53 people that died from the rioting in the aftermath of the verdict.

Jack C
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Innocents do die, not only in the crossfire, but intentional targets from gang members willing to go take things to another level, which is way worse than death due to self-defense. There was supposed to be this five and seven year old black kids that died from being shot in Chicago, but where can you find that in the news right now? We don’t even know their names, shows how the media values which life they find more valuable to present as news. As for gun laws, Chicago has very strict gun laws, so it’s incredibly difficult for a citizen… Read more »
joeld
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You want to take away guns from the public. The first ones to lay down their guns would be those who own guns legally and fully documented, hardly the ones who commit crimes. You do realize that there are gunsmiths here in the Philippines who can make you a gun for cheap, no documents required? And these loose firearms are the ones used for committing crimes here. Effectively, what you will be doing is removing the honest guy’s defense and giving the criminal the upper hand. Good luck with that.

johndoenymous@gmail.com
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johndoenymous@gmail.com

Racism eh?

I think that Zimmerman did, in a way, racially profile Martin but this is not without basis as the recent crimes in their neighborhood were perpetrated by black teens. So I believe that he is not simply a racist, he’s just reacting to his current predicament.

I believe their own media has spun this to look like a big racist man against a small black kid, even labeling Zimmerman as a “White Hispanic”. This is the first time I’ve heard of the term. And actual racists from both sides took the bait resulting in this fiasco.

Jane Doe
Guest

Nobody says those words “White Hispanic” put together. He is mixed though. According to Wikipedia, his father is white of German descent while his mother is Peruvian.

People think that this whole case is about racism.

corey
Guest

Martin while speaking on the phone just before the incident said that Zimmerman was a “Creepy Ass Cracker” . now what part of that being a racist statement are you not understanding” The woman on the phone then said maybe Zimmerman is a Gay Rapist and he, martin should run. Instead Marin decided to take matters into his own hands and paid with his life for this misjudgement

johndoenymous@gmail.com
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johndoenymous@gmail.com

I certainly did not know about that statement until now. Funny how the “racially oppressed” kid may have been the actual racist in this case.

Putting that into perspective, looks like the media had spun the story of a fat man attacked by a racist black kid into the story of a muscled racist “white hispanic” man killing an innocent black kid.

Gotta hand it to the media, they’ve once again showed their power of persuasion.

Jetlag807
Guest
Reading this article, I had to stop, scroll to the top and check who wrote this. Oh! Its you. Of course! As usual, you have completely missed the point. Most notably, the job of the President of the United States. Are you suggesting that President Obama should incite civil disobedience and/or violence just because of the verdict? The United States is NOT the Philippines dude! Stick to writing about the Philippines dude! When it comes to US Law, the duties of a given US President and the Race issue therein, you have absolutely NO idea what you’re talking about! As… Read more »
Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
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Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
Nobody needs you also! You talked about “we”, which “we” are you referring to? The African side or the American side? Are you referring to those people who are outraged by the outcome of this case and rallying across the nation? Who are those people? Are you not part of them too? Stick to writing about the Philippines, Dude? You, why don’t you stick to Africa? Or, to America? I am not an African-American like you, but an international revolutionary, a citizen of the world! I have no idea of what I am talking about? Wow! You, what idea do… Read more »
Gerry
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OK, so you don’t like the verdict. Your not alone. GZ killed the kid and, IMO should have been convicted of manslaughter. BUT, you condemm things that are beyond the scope of the incident. It was not a FEDERAL case and the President has to accept the fact that the STATE of Florida indicted the man, put him on trial and a jury of his peers found him innocent. CASE CLOSED, that is it. Anyone who lives in the USA and has taken even a POLY-SCI 101 knows what I just stated, IDK if you do. At any rate, its… Read more »
Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
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Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
God ain’t good all of the time. In fact, sometimes, God is not for us. As a black woman in a nation that has taken too many pains to remind me that I am not a white man, and am not capable of taking care of my reproductive rights, or my voting rights, I know that this American god ain’t my god. As a matter of fact, I think he’s a white racist god with a problem. More importantly, he is carrying a gun and stalking young black men. — excerpts from Professor Anthea Butler’s blog post saying that the… Read more »
Jack C
Guest

So many so-called “revolutionaries” that we don’t actually need. And a lot of people who are outraged over the verdict are rioting in LA right now, beating people up and jacking up cars. Concentrate on the nonsense back home before putting one’s nose on someone else’s business.

Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
Guest
Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
God ain’t good all of the time. In fact, sometimes, God is not for us. As a black woman in a nation that has taken too many pains to remind me that I am not a white man, and am not capable of taking care of my reproductive rights, or my voting rights, I know that this American god ain’t my god. As a matter of fact, I think he’s a white racist god with a problem. More importantly, he is carrying a gun and stalking young black men. — excerpts from Professor Anthea Butler’s blog post saying that the… Read more »
NeoGeo
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I think this one American puts it nicely.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b7_1373822934

winky
Guest

Meanwhile, millions of Americans are not protesting. Trayvon Martin was a thug and he got what he deserved.

winky
Guest

We are all Trayvon Martin? hahahahaha!

Jane Doe
Guest

You are wrong about that winky. People in Oakland, California turned violent for Christ’s sake. They were mad because Zimmerman was found not guilty. They were protesting alright but they tend to take it too far. They even burned the American flag. How do I know this? I watched the news early this morning.

winky
Guest

No Jane Doe, I’m not wrong. There were Millions of Americans who did NOT protest.

Tank
Guest
Innocent until proven guilty. The prosecutors initially didn’t want to pursue a weak case but thanks to the sensationalist media and grievance mongers, they went and overdid it with a second degree murder charge; and I thought only “Pinoys” were the emotional type. Fact of the matter is, if you’re going for murder, you ought to be sure you can prove malice. The prosecutors didn’t. The evidence shows there was a struggle and witness accounts saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating his head. That fact alone, that there was a fight instead of an outright shooting, makes murder extremely… Read more »
ChinoF
Member

If we are all Trayvon Martin, we are all George Zimmerman as well.

Gerry
Guest

We are neither. We have our own Identities and that is one thing that makes the USA #1. it is not a perfect place and it sux that the GZ’s of this world do what they do and get away with it.
Manslaughter was called for here,IMO.but it did not happen.
4 the record predjudice has reared its ugly head in my face/life on many occasions. I did not like it, BUT I overcame it, not by killing someone but by PERSEVERANCE.

Tank
Guest
This writer has a Law degree? Really? Then he ought to know that if you’re going to charge someone with murder, you need to prove malice and intent to kill. The prosecution didn’t. In fact, if Zimmerman was a murderer, why did he even cal 911? Why did he even approach Trayvon? Why was there a fight in which Trayvon ended up on top beating Zimmerman’s skull into the concrete pavement? That fact alone, that there was a fight, makes murder extremely hard to prove. Sounds to me like the prosecutors got a little to overexcited by the media hype… Read more »
jcc
Guest

according to the jury there was no intent, but intent is a state of mind… you arrived at intent by taking into consideration antecedent facts: stalking, profiling, suspecting, contact initiation… those are markers of intent.

winky
Guest

I wonder what Trayvor’s state of mind was when he was stalking Zimmerman, and when he was on top of him bashing his head to the ground.

Tank
Guest

Intent to KILL? No.

winky
Guest

Nice, head trauma really wont kill anybody.

jcc
Guest

having profiled treyvon as a criminal, he called 911, that is even consistent with ill-will.

winky
Guest

Somebody who was presenting himself as a Suspicious Ghetto Thug, in a gated community that he did not live in, gets profiled as a criminal – buhuhu

Jack C
Guest

Trayvon fits the profile of the people that burglarize the homes there. The hypocrisy here is that people keep complaining about the profiling thing, but everyone profiles – it’s just that not everyone are willing to admit it. And the social stigma of admitting to profiling makes it difficult to be honest with it.

But it was the police dispatcher that asked to “profile” the suspicious individual anyway, and NBC’s blatant edit made Zimmerman’s exchange with the dispatcher seem racist. Google search “zimmerman call NBC edit”.

Tank
Guest

No it isn’t. If he planned to murder Trayvon why alert the police who were already on their way?

jcc
Guest
You ask him… But if you ask me for my opinion, he did not plan to murder but onlly to arrest him because he is a criminal. During his ‘attempted arrest’ the fellow fought back. There was a scuffle. Defense said his head was bashed several times to the pavement, but injuries of 1 and 2 cm at the back of the head were inconsistent with head bashing at the pavement several times. That blood oozed from these superficial injuries was explained by the Doctor’s PA, the scalp being vascular (meaning it has too many blood vessels) bleeding can easily… Read more »
Jack C
Guest

@jcc Here’s the big problem – you’re basing it on opinion, not facts.

jcc
Guest
Were you there to know exactly what happened and can narrate them as facts? Or you were just like me who based his “factual reading” of the case on the basis of watching the televised trial? BTW, let me continue on Mark Twain’s comment about the ignoramus jury composition. In impaneling a jury, the judge asks: “having read/watched/browsed the case on newspapers, tv, and internet, have you formed an opinion about the case? If your answer is no. You are okay, you get to be a juror. But who in the world who after watching the annotations of Fox Anchors/Guests… Read more »
jcc
Guest

hohohuum.. why are non-lawyers, like the jurors seem to be conversant with the law when actually they don’t know about the law.

the instruction is murder or manslaughter. one requires intent the other only reckless misappreciation of the danger resulting to ‘incomplete self-defense.’

winky
Guest

Reckless misappreciation of the danger? Hahahaha. Yup, when Trayvor was on top of him and bashing his head on the ground, Zimmerman should have just waited for poor boy Trayvor to either get tired or be struck with a sudden onset of compassion.

Jack C
Guest

That, or having Trayvon discover Zimmerman has a gun, and steal it from him. What’s another illegally acquired gun to add to Trayvon’s own personal collection? Right next to weed and some ghetto homemade drugs and some lean.

Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
Guest
Jose Mario Dolor De Vega

So, what is your point, Tank?

My sole issue with regard to this issue is the legality and the constitutionality of that so-called “stand your ground” brouhaha!

You? What degree or degrees you’ve finished?

Or probably, you just finished having your meal! Is that it?

Jim Arndt
Guest
@Jose, Obviously your degrees didn’t help because Stand Your Ground was not part of this case. The statute was refused as a defense and Zimmerman had to use self defense as grounds for innocence not Stand Your Ground. This trail at best should have been only simple Manslaughter but should have never been brought to trail since there was not enough evidence to convict on anything. BTW a Black man shot and killed a White man and used the Stand Your Ground defense and was not arrested. Your Progressive views cloud any of your legal training. The ends justify the… Read more »
yup
Guest

His degrees is well ahead of the rank of stupid, very progressive..

jcc
Guest

Oh yeah?

“Zimmerman’s lawyers didn’t invoke Florida’s “stand your ground” law in court, but it was included in the instructions to the jury that acquitted him. Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s office reaffirmed his support for the law Tuesday afternoon, saying a task force set up by his office reviewed the statute after Martin’s death.”

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/politics/zimmerman-holder/index.html

Jim Arndt
Guest

@jcc

And your point?

jcc
Guest

The judge instructed the jury to consider in its deliberation the “stand your ground rule.”

Gerry
Guest

@ Jim Arndt, yes I agree. it seems the author of this essay doesn’t like the ‘stand your ground law’ and/or the result of the verdict in this trial. And so attacks it on what seem emotional grounds. The author claims to be a ‘citizen of the world’ but what passport he has will dictate what citizenship he possess’s. No matter what he likes to think, it just is not so…and I am a New York YANKEE, u kno? LOL!

Jim Arndt
Guest

@jcc

Like I said what is your point. Stand Your Ground was not part of the defense like Manslaughter was not part of the prosecution. The Judge added both at the end of the trail.

jcc
Guest
The instruction to convict GZ for manslaughterif it warants it was proper. Meaning GZ can be convicted of it even if he was orginally charged with murder because it is under the criminal principle of “lesser included offenses.” A lesser crime whose elements are encompassed by a greater crime. A lesser included offense shares some, but not all, of the elements of a greater criminal offense. Therefore, the greater offense cannot be committed without also committing the lesser offense. For example, Manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder, assault is a lesser included offense of rape, and unlawful entry… Read more »
Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
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Jose Mario Dolor De Vega

I have no master! How about you? Who is your master?

Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
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Jose Mario Dolor De Vega

@Yup, your an idiot of the highest order!

Attack my arguments, not my personality or background!

In logic (which I know you don’t know) you are guilty of the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem! Shame on you! Bloody bastard!

Jim Arndt
Guest

@Jose
You say so but yet you tow the progressive line to the T, therefor your masters dictate the talking points which just regurgitate.

Jack C
Guest

Regardless of what constitutes as covered by the “stand your ground” law, nobody’s going to spend a minute to think when their face are getting bashed in and their had smashed on the concrete. I’d bet anyone’s only thought when they’re at the receiving end of it is what they will do to survive.

Me, and I feel a lot of people would draw their gun and shoot when being assaulted, beaten to the point where there’s a fear of death, paralysis, or extensive brain damage for getting their face broken.

jcc
Guest
his injuries were inconsistent with his claim. ‘several head bashing on the pavement’, before he shot… he could be in coma if that was true.. so my theory, he was punched by TM, because he was suspected to be a mugger, (after TM noticed that he was being followed) fell down, hit is head to some stones in the grass causing 1 cm and 2 cm wounds on his scalp… doctor assistant said bleeding was due to the highly vascular nature of the scalp, but pointed out that the injuries were sueperficial. doctor did not consider subjecting him to further… Read more »
Gerry
Guest

apaarently you did need to tell him that. His degree in law is not from a University in the USA. The law ,obviously, is not the same in different countries.

Tank
Guest

Sorry for the double post.

ChinoF
Member
The problem with this case is that lots of things were not “caught on camera.” It’s like this story I got from my former colleague Arnel Endrinal. He watched a video wherein a man was arrested, handcuffed and made to lay facedown on the car. Then all of a sudden, the policeman took his baton and started beating up the suspect. At first glance, it would look like police brutality. But you have to know the whole story before you make a judgement. Explanation: the suspect grabbed the balls of the policeman while he was leaning over the car. So… Read more »
Tank
Guest

When it’s that doubtful, all the more reason to acquit.

I hope Big Brother won’t ever happen. A surveillance state is a whole new problem.

Jack C
Guest

In the end, when in doubt, check the facts. Facts don’t lie, and that’s what the trial was based on, leading to the “Not Guilty” verdict.

Jim Arndt
Guest
Here is a thought experiment. Lets say Zimmerman did not have a gun and Travon was able to continue beating him. The police were already on the way there. After beating Zimmerman Trayvon leaves and the police then track down Trayvon and arrest him for assault. Zimmerman was beat to a point that he has permanent damage (which happens quite often in a beat down) physical and mental. Now that would be a cut and dry case to send Trayvon to jail. The case is only because Zimmerman had a gun. BTW gun control does not work just so you… Read more »
winky
Guest

That’s a really big assumption that Zimmerman would have just been knocked out like he was in boxing match.

A Thug was able to overpower you and is beating your head on the pavement, you really would think everything’s gonna be A OK?

Jim Arndt
Guest

HUH????? Did you even read what I posted

jack
Guest

Screw Trayvon Martin!

Gerry
Guest

Yep, fuck him. and the millions just like him. Un-fortunately, the way things are going the civil rights that are available to all U.S. citizens are being eroded and cases like this are making it worse.

Combuzz
Guest
FL Statute 776.041  Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause… Read more »
Combuzz
Guest

Correction:
Evidence showed GZ was being pummeled by Treyvon right before he pulled the trigger. GZ face was all messed up while Treyvon had no markings other than the gunshot wound.

Gerry
Guest

and a FATAL wound it was. Trayvon decided to beat the crap out of a ‘Cracker-ass’ white guy, and came up CRAPS in his bid to roll the dice. He should have kept walking or running. GZ should be in jail on a manslaughter rap is just my opinion. The verdict doesn’t surprise me. Especially in florida.

Combuzz
Guest
Imagine this scenario its slightly different: You are in your home, then you peep out your window and you see a teenager peeping through windows. 2 weeks ago there was a burglary in which the teen you see outside the window fits the profile: in terms of race, mannerism and demographic. You decide to go out of the safety of your home to follow the guy. You ask him aggressively “What are you doing, you’re not supposed to be here?” He throws a looping left hook to your chin, mounts your chest, starts pounding your head into the pavement. You… Read more »
Gerry
Guest
@Commbuzz…w-w-w-w-what? that is NOT WHAT HAPPENED! GZ was told to stay away from the kid and ended up getting his ass kicked. Lucky for him he had a weapon. I don’t like ‘thugs’ and ‘gangsta’s’ any more than I like jock itch, BUT these neighborhood watch people acting like cops and killing people w/skittles and tea in their possession are out of control. its just bull-shit that he can do what he did and not get a manslaughter rap up his ass. GZ had no right to act like he did, and I do not like the Trayvon Martins of… Read more »
Combuzz
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I’m not saying thats what happened. I made a completely fictional story, I just want to know, in the scenario i have. Would it have been self defense or manslaughter.

Gerry
Guest

IDK BUT if it went to trial: A jury would decide, not me.

winky
Guest

Neighborhood watch people acting like cops? like when defending oneself from imminent death or serious bodily harm with a big scawy gun? puhleeze.

Trayvor got himself killed, good riddance.

Combuzz
Guest

The only winning argument against that is to pull out the race card.

winky
Guest

By the way, GZ was an idiot for allowing himself to be pummeled like that. what he did was sheer dumb luck.

Combuzz
Guest

Agree on all your points.

They both were idiots.

One was a wannabe thug.

The other a wannabe cop.

Gerry
Guest
no winky, by arming themselves and patrolling their neighborhoodsike vigilante’s. that is the cops job.and neighborhood watchers are not supposed to confront anyone either, the cops do. so winky, do you live in the USA? do you know what a neighborhood watch is? I do not miss the Trayvon Martin’s of this world for a single second. and your right he did get himself killed by someone who should be doing 5-15 yrs. in a state correctional facility for manslaughter. that is just my opinion.GZ did not need to do what he did, could have done numerous other things too,… Read more »
Winkydu
Guest

No Gerry, law abiding citizens have the right to arm themselves. Their gated community, their neighborhood, their right to “patrol”. Police officers will solve a crime after the fact. If you choose to cower and hide from thugs like trayvor and hope that a big scawy police officer will come in with a big scawy gun to protect you, thats your right too. Graham WA, and no I don’t. My neighboors and I would have been all over him, guns already drawn so yea, piece of shit trayvor would have lived.

jcc
Guest
“The humorist who invented trial by jury played a colossal practical joke upon the world, but since we have the system we ought to try and respect it. A thing which is not thoroughly easy to do, when we reflect that by command of the law a criminal juror must be an intellectual vacuum, attached to a melting heart and perfectly macaronian bowels of compassion.” The six jurors in GZ case attached sympathy on the handsome Hispanic criminal and consider the black guy a thug… 🙂 Just like some commenters here for intellectual vacuity, consider the verdict a triump of… Read more »
Gerry
Guest
@winkydu(?) R u the person the comment was aimed at OR are you just butting into an argument? I did not say that people do not have the right to arm themselves. Even though in places like NYC it is impossible to do so. Take what I said out of context and puff up your chest and win an argument that did not exist and see if I give a shit? Based on the totality of the case I believe that GZ acted above the law, had no reasonable right to do so and should have gotten a manslaughter rap… Read more »
Gerry
Guest

for the record, President Barrack Obamma will most likely NOT read this open letter.

winky
Guest
“I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Paine, 1789. “If the question [before justices of the peace] relate to any point of public liberty, or if it be one of those in which the judges may be suspected of bias, the jury undertake to decide both law and fact.” –Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782. “Representative government and trial by jury are the heart and lungs of liberty. Without them we have no other fortification against… Read more »
jcc
Guest
The sentiments of T. Jefferson and J. Adams were echoed circa 1780 where the institutions of government of the colonies freed from the British empire were just geling. It was then glamorous to be part of the government and jury system is part of that gelling institution. It was then considered a patriotic duty to render jury service. Jury duty attracted unbiased local folks with patriotic wisdom. It was then a period without global media networks and internet. You could practically impanel a jury at that time whose memberships do not hold any opinion on the issue but were sophisticated… Read more »
winky
Guest

You say tomato, I prefer tomato.

http://www.gvpt.umd.edu/lpbr/subpages/reviews/jonakait604.htm

If Mark Twain had his way, the bums, the most ignorant, the most unsophisticated thinkers would not be allowed to vote. Hmmmmmm,tempting thought.

jcc
Guest

Is this not about the whole theme of GRP? That only the smart must lead and only the smart must choose their leaders?

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