Lessons from Corona’s impeachment trial: Medicines, Shoes, and Critical Thinking

Recent reports narrated Ombudsman Conchita Carpio-Morales’s outrage over respondent Chief Justice Renato Corona’s statement regarding her allegiance; that she might be in cahoots with the Aquino administration.

“I was never ever used by Malacañang,” Carpio-Morales told reporters in a press conference.

“Hindi ako magpapagamit. I have been trying to be impartial. I have been trying to be fair. I have been trying to be impervious to influence and I’d like to believe I succeeded,” she said.

Carpio-Morales said she felt “maligned” by Corona’s statements against her, adding that she will let the public judge who between them is telling the truth.

(Source: Link)

But then, recall that Corona was only compelled to answer senator-judge Jinggoy Estrada’s question; a question about the possible reasons for the alleged distrust between the respondent and the Ombudsman in the good ol’ Supreme Court days. Furthermore, it was not as accusatory as it seems; in effect, Corona was merely expressing his suspicions in response to a senator-judge’s question.

(Transcript in English)

Estrada: Do you know of any other reason why she [Morales] would testify against you? Aside from the things you’ve mentioned.

Corona: Very well. I think—I’m sorry, I really apologize to this court to have to say it, but Senator Jinggoy Estrada asked a question… I think the Ombudsman let herself be used by the Malacanang.

Estrada: What makes you say that, Chief Justice?

Corona: Well, because, she waved around a document which is supposedly or allegedly coming from the AMLC. It’s just not right because the document is not even authenticated. I didn’t even know that I’m guilty of a predicate crime. What I knew is that I wasn’t being investigated. There was no court order. There was neither this nor that. And yet she disclosed an alleged AMLC report and used Powerpoint Presentation to show it here. There is one other thing I wonder about regarding that event. This is because she sent me a letter, ordering me to reply within 72 hours. Now, emblazoned on the top of her paper in bold, black letters, was “strictly confidential.” When my office received the letter from Ombudsman Morales, the envelope was sealed; thick-brown envelope. And we were in Baguio because we’re having a summer session. When we arrived at Manila, it was only then that I got ahold of the documents from Ombudsman Morales which were still sealed. It means, they weren’t opened yet by any member of my staff in Manila. What bothers me is that it’s “strictly confidential” but Philippine Daily Inquirer has a copy…

Note that Corona did not express his theories in a conclusive, matter-of-factly way. At the same time however, he was also able to reveal another fishy fact about PDI’s possession of the supposedly “strictly confidential” document.

As to Corona’s allegation that his rejection of Morales’s request for a bigger retirement fee being the cause for her animosity with the respondent, the Ombudsman expressed her contempt:

Carpio-Morales, however, said she never requested for Corona to increase her retirement benefits.

“It’s not true. I did not ask for it. I suffered in silence. I never asked for his consideration, bahala siya,” she said.

Also, she denied that she was the one who leaked the supposedly confidential documents:

She also denied that she was the one who leaked the “confidential” document to the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

Of course, whether Corona’s answer is completely true is beyond our powers (and I will openly express my contempt should it be proven he’s lying), but in the midst of all this, it would be very timely to ask the Ombudsman this question: how does it feel?

How does it feel that your credibility is being called into question, unable to personally deny it in court, having to put up with these allegations through press conferences, knowing that searching eyes peer maliciously into your carefully cultivated reputation? How does it feel that there might be people who are unconvinced of your sincerity no matter what you say? In short, how does it feel to have a dose of your own medicine?

After all, it was the Ombudsman who submitted the dubious AMLC documents in court, with the groundbreaking claim that not only Corona has 82 bank accounts, but he also has 12 million dollars in tow, which is, amusingly, exaggerated. By Corona’s admission, he only had 4 dollar accounts and 3 peso accounts, and only 2.4 million dollars in his dollar accounts. But despite this revelation, the moral damage cannot be undone; Corona still took verbal blows from many Filipinos.

The medicine administration doesn’t stop here, what with Corona’s historic dare to his persecutors to also sign their waivers, so that the public will also know of their financial statuses. It seems the respondent has this intriguing ability of getting back at the ones who put him on tough times. I wonder if he can do the same to his vindictive persecutors out there…

But then, he can’t, although he was able to show (perhaps unwittingly) how some Filipinos tend to don the “rule of law” mask when their anti-Corona sentiment is compromised.

Still, I have a personal manifestation for those vindictive Filipinos out there; they could really try putting themselves in Corona’s shoes. It’s fun.

Imagine yourself in the same situation as Corona’s. You’re on trial, everyone’s watching. Now, let’s assume you’re innocent—no, please don’t get back at me with stuff like “but Corona is guilty,” because the verdict hasn’t even been given yet. Innocent until proven guilty, standard procedure. Deal with it.

Now, how would you feel if you know, deep inside, that you’re innocent, and yet people don’t seem to care and they bombard you with expletives and insults? In the process, even your loved ones are pulled into the fray and get their share of condemnation from your fellowmen. And now your whole family is being barraged with cuss words and baseless accusations and mindless rants just because they’re already convinced you’re guilty no matter what; how would it feel? How would it feel to get a dose of your medicine by putting yourself on the respondent’s shoes?

Perhaps this is one crucial step to realizing how we are supposed to tackle important issues like this impeachment trial. This trial has brought out the worst in many Filipinos; vindictiveness. Perhaps we should take steps (even baby ones) to change what we have become as a society. The solution’s pretty straightforward; critical thinking.

Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness.

(Source: Link)

In layman’s terms, critical thinking is relying on facts for your reasoning, linking them together with logic, and not jumping into conclusions. Clearly, it does not involve mudslinging and unfairly ruining one’s reputation with black propaganda, among other stuff. When unreasonably vindictive Filipinos start practicing critical thinking, they’ll realize it has benefits:

1. It gives you multiple perspectives to work on, enhancing your analytical abilities. When you stop considering only one haphazardly formulated conclusion and start considering other possibilities, you gain more insight regarding an issue. You are able to tackle it in different angles, improving the precision of your observations. And then you can synthesize them at the end of your musings, eliminating contradictions and whatnot, until you’re left with a more refined conclusion, which can then be refined even more, bringing you closer and closer to the truth.

2. It gives you access to a healthy, intellectual debate. When you’ve honestly and rationally arrived at a conclusion that is not really in good terms with the conclusion of others, that’s perfectly okay. Intellectual debates exist for a reason; they exist so that people can exchange ideas with one another in an orderly fashion, learning from each other’s insight in the process. By thinking critically, one can incite a civilized conversation rather than a chaotic mudslinging war.

Critical thinking in issues like the impeachment trial is a win-win situation. You become more rational, you gain intellectual friends and you sin less (if you’re Christian).

The impeachment trial gave us lessons about our own society, the most important of which is the call for us to uphold critical thinking as a nation. If we truly uphold justice and aim to be a just society, then it’s high time we drop the vindictiveness card and start thinking outside the box, so that we may prevent more unnecessary moral damage to those people who were accused, being accused, and will be accused by the present and future administrations.

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nicomax
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it seems to me that you really believe corona is innocent.. Isn’t it very obvious now that he failed to submit his real SALN and violated the SALN law which is provided in the constitution? Remember, we are talking about the chief justice of the SC and yet he seems to make a fool out of all of us by saying that he was not required by the SALN law to submit his assets, liabilities and net worth? Isn’t that very unbecoming of a CJ and a supposed man of the law to make such a ridiculous claim?

Daido Katsumi
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Read the article further and take off your Yellow glasses, trollfag.

Impaler Triumphant
Guest

“Innocent until proven guilty.” Yeah. Works like a charm.

jay
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nicomax
1. constitutional guarantee— presumption of innocence.
2. SALN Law plus constitution. statutory construction please so u will understand

Trosp
Guest

Specifically, what did he violate in SALN that would make it an impeachable offense?

Am I too technical?

Fishball
Guest

He didnt declare his P80M and $2.5M in his SALN which must be declared.

Markus U.
Guest

non-declaration of assets in SALN = non-impeachable offense

Alvin
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Just review the facts. Article 11, Section 17 of the 1987 Philippine Constitution states that: A public officer or employee shall, upon assumption of office and as often thereafter as may be required by law, submit a declaration under oath of his assets, liabilities, and net worth. In the case of the President, the Vice-President, the Members of the Cabinet, the Congress, the Supreme Court, the Constitutional Commissions and other constitutional offices, and officers of the armed forces with general or flag rank, the declaration shall be disclosed to the public IN THE MANNER PROVIDED BY LAW. Now that the… Read more »
noah
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The FCDA, which guarantees the confidentiality of dollar accounts, bars the banks, NOT the depositors, from disclosing information on those accounts.

mcalleyboy
Member
And you forget the total bungling of Government and banking employee’s so far and all branches do not work well together they pull teeth and beat chests and brow beat each other along with getting simple information it becomes another trial to do this bringing in other bungling government employee’s that don’t seem to qualified in any way for their tasks and apparently they have large staffs, hidden wealth not seen in most countries other than Columbia, Switzerland now provides deposit information to all countries in question, what about the Senator’s that judge they acquire such vast wealth, nobody actually… Read more »
mona lisa rendoque
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it’s not only the vindictiveness of certain quarters that was highlighted during the impeachment trials.. .the filipinos’ penchant for crab mentality, gullibilty and envy for those who have achieved a certain level of success in their field, likewise, came into play.. .i believe that it is the combination of all these negative traits that contributed to the ridiculous mob mentality that prevailed during the proceedings.. .if we develop critical thinking, in- depth analysis and better synthesis of facts.. .then perhaps we can be on our way to becoming better filipinos.

Ismelina
Guest

AGREE…it seems like it’s impossible to get rich the way CJ had become thru being wise with investments and being simple and frugal….one HAS TO BE CORRUPT with getting the kind of money CJ Corona truly has.

For our society, it seems that when it comes to amassing a large amount of money here, it seems that you either win LOTTO or do something illegal or corrupt…which is seriously flawed.

Ismelina
Guest

wait a minute…CJ’s wealth (the way he declared it), ISN’T even that much when you compare it to Drilon, et al…but I hope you get the message.

Trosp
Guest

@Ismelina

So how much money and property does Corona has?

Definitely, the alleged USD 12 M bank deposit is false, 45 properties is false, and his peso bank deposit, how much it is to be so as not to be labeled as corrupt?

traffice2000
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Nowadays most of the filipinos were just relying their trust on media commentaries; They don’t want to think outside of the box or the other side of the coin. Although we still have kababayans who had this principles and critical thinking to analyze the situation before they conclude. Sad fate of most of us was been brainwashed/duped of so called Democracy of Aquino for their own interest. Media like rappler, ABS-CBN, PDI et’al should not be patrozined.

Fishball
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Karen Davila is the most trusted for me because she receives many tweets every trial day, so your wrong for not patronizing a multi awarded ABSCBN

brianitus
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The internet is a huge “place.” You can try looking at other angles or other sources.

Teka, bakit ka ba andito sa GRP? Andito na ba si Karen Davila?

Markus U.
Guest

And I can smell guano and burning denim from here, Fishball.

Daido Katsumi
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You lost your credibility when you mention Karen Davilla. I say that because ABS-CBN is BIASED.

mdl
Guest

seriously dude? “Karen Davila is the most trusted for me because she receives MANY TWEETS every trial day” the kardashians get as many tweets in the same day or more even. that just killed it for me, no need to finish reading the comment.

brianitus
Guest

People read opinion pieces to help them form opinions. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s the same as forming your opinion based on the slant/ opinions found here on GRP. Not everyone is equipped to analyze a political process like the impeachment.

roi
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1. Morales in a press-con even called her assistant to speak how the confidential letter to CJ was transmitted – not sealed in an envelop as CJ claimed in the Senate. So if CJ is to be believed, then naturally something must have happened to the letter while in transit… 2. Morales pointed out that she is not salivating to be CJ of SC implying that Corona is. But it is a widely known fact that her cousin Carpio is obsessed to get the position. 3. Sen. Estrada was out of the line asking those questions to the CJ. The… Read more »
Fishball
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Corona is the one who is impeached. Question him about not declaring his bank accounts in his SALN and his scripted walk out and testimony. And Morales clearly answers that she was not used by Malacañang so stop demonizing our Ombudsman.

jeanne
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No need to be touchy. Some people here are just for discussing plausable scenarios and theorizing. We are not privy on what really what happened because we weren’t simply there. These side issues for me, are also important because it reflects on governemnt (and its people) as a whole, not just one office or institution. If that what she felt and he felt, we can’t do anything against it since it was their opinion. Ad last time I checked, it’s free.

Fishball
Guest

Let us take a look on our government. Extortion of the officers in MMDA, PNP and LTO. Extortion in business permits and licenses. Criminals extorting police to be released. Various red tapes and under the table in different government agencies. Overpriced projects of some congressman. Pabaon sa General. Those are whats happening and its all Glorias fault especially the intriguing ZTE NBN deal. Thats why im taking the current administration to solve these big crimes.

brianitus
Guest

You know what? It’s really insulting to know that a Filipino like you actually exists. Even a taxi driver with no internet access knows more than you do.

Those kotongeros, they’ve been around for ages. Kailan ka ba pinanganak? Kahapon? Bakit di mo alam na sobrang tagal na may corruption sa Pinas? Bago pa kay GMA may corrupt na.

skarab
Guest

and a simple impeachment trial and conviction will solve all these problems.

Daido Katsumi
Guest

Take note that the Cory administration did nothing against corruption since it was also rampant during that time, you know that. 🙂

Ilda
Admin

Corona is the one who is impeached. Question him about not declaring his bank accounts in his SALN and his scripted walk out and testimony.

You can watch the trial held last Friday again on ANC, GMA or Youtube. Corona answered your questions clearly.

And Morales clearly answers that she was not used by Malacañang so stop demonizing our Ombudsman.

You should follow your own advice and stop demonizing Corona.

Fishball
Guest

Im not demonizing Corona because I only say the truth about him.

Ilda
Admin

And you know the truth because?

Abdul Majeed
Guest

What truth? Anything to back up your claims except what the yellow propaganda says?

Daido Katsumi
Guest

What TRUTH is that? If you know the truth about him, then why not testify in court? 😛

That ‘truth’ of yours is based on your feelings; something that will make yourself feel better.

Fishball
Guest

Lesson learned:

Deposit your stolen money in USD currency to avoid investigation for corruption!

Ilda
Admin

Wow. Failed logic.

Just because there is a dollar secrecy law, it doesn’t mean you have a license to steal.

Trosp
Guest

This Fishball has the knack on oversimplifying. Just like these other Corona bashers.

They can’t think independently and analyze the situation(critical and linear thinking).

Corona is being accused of corruption and he has a million of pesos and dollar deposits, therefore, he is corrupt!

I call these people specially Fishball suckers.

crude
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“Deposit your stolen money in USD currency to avoid investigation for corruption!” In fairness,that is one derivative from the premise of absolute confidentiality of USD bank accounts, and factually, it is not a failed logic. Truth be told, it is actually the most logical derivative that comes to mind. That does not mean though that everyone will take advantage of it. Trosps nails it with “oversimplification”. However, the statement “Corona is being accused of corruption and he has a million of pesos and dollar deposits, therefore, he is corrupt!” is misleading if not outright erroneous. The statement in contention should… Read more »
Trosp
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@crude

““Corona is being accused of corruption and he has UNDECLARED millions of pesos and dollar deposits therefore, he is corrupt.”

Corona is within the bound of the law not to declare his dollar deposits.

Care to prove his corruption on that issue?

crude
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@ Trosp First off, I was trying to rectify the logic of the statement you made. “Corona is being accused of corruption and he has a million of pesos and dollar deposits, therefore, he is corrupt!” If that is the case, it is as bright as day that logically, you do not have something to argue about with other posters. The Zobel-Ayalas, the Sy’s, the Tan-Caktiong’s, and their leagues are peacefully sleeping because this is one premise they can “take to the bank”. The operative word though is “undeclared”, to be used as an adjective modifying millions…. That word alone… Read more »
Trosp
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@crude ———————————– “Corona is being accused of corruption and he has a million of pesos and dollar deposits, therefore, he is corrupt!” ———————————– That is the logic I’ve squeezed from commenters who are labelling Corona as corrupt in this blog. Otherwise, please direct me to a commenter here who has used that phrase “UNDECLARED millions of pesos and dollar deposits”. ———————————– “If that is the case, it is as bright as day that logically, you do not have something to argue about with other posters.” ———————————– I won’t have an argument anymore if not declaring ones dollar deposit is a… Read more »
crude
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By this time, I think my comment will be moot and academic. The verdict is guilty, 20 : 3 guilty-acquitted ratio.

That is around 87% of the total senators agreeing.

Corona himself answered that question when he voted (prior to the impeachment) a guilty verdict to a lower ranking judiciary employee who did not include in her SALN the stall she had at a flea market. Only this time though, Corona thinks that the same yardstick he used does not apply to him.

It’s a pity some people, say more or less 13% still looks in the other direction.

FallenAngel
Member

Lesson learned:

Vincenzo Arellano has spawned a Fishball!

jeanne
Guest

….that cracked me up.

Abdul Majeed
Guest

Before you even say “stolen money” dude, explain to us how he “stole” the money and present evidence.

Impaler Triumphant
Member

I second the motion.

Daido Katsumi
Guest

You really have no idea because you never had a dollar account in your whole life.

Fact is your brainwashed by the Yellow media. 😛

FallenAngel
Member

Arche, there is apparently no cure yet for Foot In Mouth disease, which the prosecutors, Drilon, PNoy, and Morales are all seemingly afflicted with, is there?

And yup, how does it feel for Omb. Morales to be on the defensive, indeed. She didn’t feel she was being used; either she was a useful idiot, or a willing lapdog. Either way, she got screwed, and she didn’t even feel a thing.

Rhetorical question: how does one practice critical thinking in a society where blind obedience is valued above everything else?

Arche
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“Arche, there is apparently no cure yet for Foot In Mouth disease, which the prosecutors, Drilon, PNoy, and Morales are all seemingly afflicted with, is there?” Haha, I guess not. 😛 Interesting way to put it regarding the Ombudsman. I just wonder that if she is really independent from PNoy’s administration, shouldn’t she express her contempt for the AMLC that sent her a faulty document, tainting her reputation? Shouldn’t she at least exert an effort into how the AMLC exactly worked during the trial? After all, she has the power to do so. That is, of course, unless she does… Read more »
Hyden Toro
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Ombudsman Carpio Morales, let herself be used by the Aquino and the Cojuangco families…this is is the truth…why would she lie…I don’t believe you lie for nothing…maybe in return for a favor or cash. The professional intrigue between Justice Corona and her; is not enough for this woman, to sell her reputation. There is more involved, other than this…

Der Fuhrer
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Carpio Morales is apparently into double standards. When the dark master calls… she listens and obeys. She cannot or deliberately does not do her job when the KKKK is involved. Remember the tip of the iceberg? Neil Tupas(PHP50 million mansion under construction), P. Ochoa(PHP60 million mansion under construction) and the other congressmen/cronies who were exposed by the press as building or owning expensive mansions? What about the expensive, excessive lifestyles of these congressmen? The bottom line is there was no investigation of these crocodiles. The crocodile hunter must therefore be a crocodile too. Are we to believe the sleeping president… Read more »
Impaler Triumphant
Member

Just as we cannot prove eyt whether Corona is a thief, we cannot do that on Tupas and his cronies either.

But yeah, of course I suspect them, like you. Where did they get that money? If they acquired it as legit as Corona did when he was a private citizen, I’ll leave them alone.

Der Fuhrer
Guest

The timing of the Impeachment and the discovery speaks for itself. Do not forget the Alpha Grand View condo of Mr. Tupas. No investigation from Morales? Deduction and common sense smells sweet. So does the statement: “Elementary my dear Watson.” 🙂

Der Fuhrer
Guest

Resign Conchita! Your fanatic loyalty to your master has been noted. You are a groupie of the sleeping president.

roi
Guest

I just observed:

May pagka-palengkera pala si Madam Ombudsman Morales ano?!

PrincesaUrduja
Guest
@ Arche “How does it feel that your credibility is being called into question…” Corona and Morales were both subjected to tests of credibility by defense and prosecution lawyers and Senator-judges since they were both the accused and hostile witness in the impeachment court, respectively. They simply had no choice. But there is definitely a difference on how each of them should “feel”. An honest person would demonstrate more courage while a liar would show more fear. Since they’re testimonies were in contradiction, it means one of them was telling the truth and the other one was lying. So the… Read more »
Arche
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Hey there! “They simply had no choice. But there is definitely a difference on how each of them should “feel”. An honest person would demonstrate more courage while a liar would show more fear.” I wonder; who are you to dictate what they would feel, just because what you think they should feel? What if the Ombudsman is FRUSTRATED because there might be people who won’t believe her no matters what she says (regardless of whether she’s being truthful or not)? But I can’t answer that and nor could you, which is why I posed that point in the form… Read more »
Arche
Guest

Just to be clear on this, if you have a row with the other posters, settle things out with THEM. Don’t invoke their personages in other discussions, not when you know that the one you’re talking to cannot speak on their behalf. Thanks for your input!

Arche
Guest

Correction:

…won’t believe her no MATTER what she says…

Arche
Guest

More correction:

…just because OF what you think they should feel?

/grammarnazi

Trosp
Guest
@Arche Careful with her. She might get hysterical again. In her last comment in our argument – http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/2012/05/ombudsman-morales-testimony-muddles-rather-than-substantiates-prosecution-claims-of-corona-dollar-holdings/ “@ Trosp “May I ask how your name-calling should be treated?” Still stuck on that “name-calling” issue triggered by benignO’s MAN-VOICE name-calling? LOL “Do I have to read between the lines or is it a common sense thing again?” So you still haven’t figured that out? LOL (Up to now, she can tell the comment readers what are those between the lines.) “So I showed you the figure. Now what? Show you who they are?” Who cares? LOL (She asked me to… Read more »
Arche
Guest

Thanks for the heads-up, Trosp! I too observe her behavior in other articles, and I can say that I’m prepared should something happen. ^^

Trosp
Guest

correction –

(Up to now, she can tell the comment readers what are those between the lines.)

should rad –

(Up to now, she CAN’T tell the comment readers what are those between the lines.)

PrincesaUrduja
Guest
@ Arche “I wonder; who are you to dictate what they would feel?” I wasn’t dictating at all. But does the word “demeanor” rings a bell? FYI, there’s a correlation between feeling and demeanor. What’s happening internally reflects the external. It’s simple psychology. “I have reasons to suspect over-counting on behalf of AMLC (e.g., counting bank accounts which are already closed, counting bank accounts where the money simply passed through and are therefore not Corona’s)” Corona just CLAIMED he had 4 dollar bank accounts in his testimony WITHOUT bank documents to support them so he did NOT disprove the AMLC… Read more »
PrincesaUrduja
Guest

Erratum:

PrincesaUrduja: “So the question is – WHO’S TRUTHFUL AND WHO’S DECEITFUL?”
Arche: Who knows?

After finally reaching the verdict days ago, NOW WE KNOW who’s DECEITFUL. 🙂

Arche
Guest
Oh, hello again! Sorry if I took so long. Oh well, you can never be too late. 🙂 “I wasn’t dictating at all. But does the word “demeanor” rings a bell? FYI, there’s a correlation between feeling and demeanor. What’s happening internally reflects the external. It’s simple psychology.” Correlation does not imply causation. You can’t just conclude that a person’s behavior is caused by an emotion SOLELY on the basis of a “correlation.” Oh, are you going to replace it with “causation” now? 🙂 “Corona just CLAIMED he had 4 dollar bank accounts in his testimony WITHOUT bank documents to… Read more »
Arche
Guest
Confirmation: “Absence of study about a certain object/concept does not NECESSARILY negate the existence of that object/concept. This is why credentialist arguments are so unstable.” Which is why you can’t conclude right away that my theory is imaginary. You’re arguing in the basis of “absence,” the truth of which is not tautological, but contingent. And when you read GRP articles that substantiate via testimony that vindictive Filipinos in the course of Corona’s trial do exist, we’ll know who has the better case. 😛 Of course you’re free to hold your opinion that those who blindly slandered Corona are actually good… Read more »
Arche
Guest

Sigh, paging PrincesaUrduja… 😛

Trosp
Guest

Arche,

I wish sometime I’m arguing with you. A lot of things I still have to know.

As for that madam who labels herself princesa, shame is the operative word.

But give her some slack.

Haven’t I’ve been very nice to her? (Jeez, I’m the thug in this blog’s commenting board!)

What I specifically like with her is, according to her, when you refute somebody – it is “blaming”!

Heh…

Trosp
Guest

“Absence of study about a certain object/concept does not NECESSARILY negate the existence of that object/concept. This is why credentialist arguments are so unstable.”

For me it is the the same as –

“Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.”

My 2 cents.

Arche
Guest
“Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.” Supposing this statement is absolutely true brings us to a dilemma, since mankind itself began from having no evidence to prove things. We as a civilization didn’t start as omniscient. If the above statement is true, then we shouldn’t have discovered anything because we didn’t have evidence within our reach: absence of evidence is evidence of absence. But the contrary is true; from having no evidence, we gained evidence and discovered things. This is because a third option is ignored: “which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove… Read more »
Trosp
Guest

Is it the thing we call “inference”?

Arche
Guest

Well, if we take the process of “gathering evidence” into account, a more broad term is in order.

I guess this can be called “induction,” or its systematic counterpart, “scientific method.” 🙂

PrincesaUrduja
Guest
@ Arche “Correlation does not imply causation.” Did Corona’s suppressed feelings that led to his arrogant walk-out at the impeachment court turned hypoglycemic wheel-chair acting implied correlation or causation? LOL Does it matter anymore? Nah, because Corona’s chief-justice-unbecoming “demeanor” certainly did cast doubt. And the verdict says it all. 🙂 “Also, it was the Senate who saw no need for subpoenaing bank officials to verify Corona’s testimony…” The senator-judges were not interested to subpoena the bank officials because they were already SATISFIED with Corona’s admission of owning 2.4 MILLION DOLLARS and 80 MILLION PESOS which were apparently NOT declared on… Read more »
Arche
Guest
“Did Corona’s suppressed feelings that led to his arrogant walk-out at the impeachment court turned hypoglycemic wheel-chair acting implied correlation or causation? LOL Does it matter anymore? Nah, because Corona’s chief-justice-unbecoming “demeanor” certainly did cast doubt. And the verdict says it all.” Well, I can’t blame you for sidetracking the topic when cornered. It was YOU who raised the issue, after all. Oh, and impeachment trials ideally judge on objective grounds, not on how the respondent “acted,” which is open to multiply interpretations. 🙂 “The senator-judges were not interested to subpoena the bank officials because they were already SATISFIED with… Read more »
Arche
Guest

Correction:

“I’m not the kind of person that gets pissed OFF…”

By the way, you really like dragging other people into the conversation, no? Haven’t I told you this: “if you have a row with the other posters, settle things out with THEM.”

Seriously, this does not help your case at all. Have some spine, darling. 😛

Arche
Guest

More correction:

“which is open to MULTIPLE interpretations.”

Sorry if I’m quite clumsy with the keyboard. ^^

PrincesaUrduja
Guest
@ Arche “Well I can’t blame you from sidetracking the topic when cornered?” Did I really sidetrack or I just nailed it? I said it didn’t matter whether it’s correlation or causation because Corona’s “demeanor” was used as one of the significant factors for Senator-judges to convict him. Enrile even specifically mentioned that Corona’s dramatic WALK-OUT caused more Senator-judges to convict him. So who’s really “cornered”? 🙂 “So what are you yapping about with Corona’s failure to support his claims?” Save your broken record rhetoric. Without bank documents, Corona’s testimony is still doubtful. 🙂 “Because I’m not biased.” So with… Read more »
Arche
Guest
“Did I really sidetrack or I just nailed it? I said it didn’t matter whether it’s correlation or causation because Corona’s “demeanor” was used as one of the significant factors for Senator-judges to convict him. Enrile even specifically mentioned that Corona’s dramatic WALK-OUT caused more Senator-judges to convict him. So who’s really “cornered”?” Um, no. You didn’t nail anything. If correlation/causation didn’t matter to begin with, why did you even bring them up in the first place? You are sidetracking a topic that YOU created. And then it’s on me? Please be principled. 😛 So who’s really cornered, you ask?… Read more »
PrincesaUrduja
Guest

@ Arche

“Still, you have my sincerest sympathies.”

Same here. And I’m not “flaming”. 🙂

Arche
Guest

Okay, if you say so. Well, it’s been really nice talking to you. I assure you; I mean no sarcasm. Have a nice day! 😀

PrincesaUrduja
Guest
@ Arche “If correlation/causation didn’t matter to begin with, why did you even bring them up in the first place?” Pardon me. But YOU brought up the “correlation/causation” argument and I didn`t even bother because it`s IRRELEVANT. I only hinted there was a “correlation” between his ill suppressed “emotions” to his dramatically staged WALK OUT that clearly showed the PSYCHOLOGY of his DEMEANOR. And this “demeanor” was used as one of the basis for Corona’s conviction. 🙂 “I can define hypocrisy alright; it’s when you tell somebody to use his brain cells when you’re not using them.” Oh, I have… Read more »
Arche
Guest
Oh, hello there. Looks like we still have some issues to resolve. 🙂 “Pardon me. But YOU brought up the “correlation/causation” argument and I didn`t even bother because it`s IRRELEVANT. I only hinted there was a “correlation” between his ill suppressed “emotions” to his dramatically staged WALK OUT that clearly showed the PSYCHOLOGY of his DEMEANOR. And this “demeanor” was used as one of the basis for Corona’s conviction.” The fact that you hinted at a “correlation” of some sort is an admission that you did start the topic, no? And then you’ll blame me for responding to the “correlation”… Read more »
Arche
Guest

My advice to you? The same advice you try to give to me; move on. The trial is over, and you’re providing me entertainment at your own expense.

The ruling of the Senate is indeed final and irreversible. Congratulations! 🙂

But at the same time, you can’t beat me. 😛

I’m so sorry, but you might have to find a new form of activity rather than spazzing out on a debate you can’t win at. 😉

Arche
Guest
And then what are you gonna do after reading my reply? 1. Accuse me of flaming and hurting your feelings? 2. Repeat your broken arguments which I’ve already addressed a while back? 3. Use Caps Lock/Shift more often? 4. Insist that I said Corona never lied, when I never did? 5. Insist that I raised the correlation/causation topic, when you are really the one who raised it? 6. Avoid my question about your contentment with the jury’s verdict despite your doubts on Corona’s testimony on which the jury’s verdict was based? 7. Drag more names into the fray in your… Read more »
benign0
Admin

Sorry Ms “PrincesaUrduja”, the trajectory of your line of commentary will no longer be tolerated pursuant to Section 2.2.6 of our Terms of Service i.e. the clause on quibbling which in this case has become counterproductive to the overall dynamic of this forum.

Further commentary from you will be dealt with erring on the side of summary deletion.

Thank you. 😀

Trosp
Guest

This princesaurduja does not know when to quit.

The way I see it, she would rather continue defending an illogical argument than being refuted.

If Arche has a grammar problem, that will be her excuse of quitting the argument.

But then, I still hope you did not delete her comment.

Her comments are documentations of how these hypocrites minds work. Those must be preserved.

PrincesaUrduja
Guest

@ benignO

“Sorry Ms “PrincesaUrduja”, the trajectory of your line of commentary will no longer be tolerated…”

I have tolerated the “trajectory” of this blog’s BIAS, HYPOCRISY, NAME-CALLING and FLAMING for some time now and yet no one seems to care. Not even the blog administrator who is supposed to mediate. Now if these contemptuous acts practiced by writers, posters and sockpuppets will not be tolerated anymore by this blog (and that’s a big IF), then I have no words but – Congratulations! And you know what? It’s about TIME. 🙂

PrincesaUrduja
Guest

@ benignO

“…pursuant to Section 2.2.6 of our Terms of Service i.e. the clause on quibbling…”

So you have RULES now? LOL And since when? Since I accurately defined “hypocrisy”? Since I positively discovered the DOUBLE STANDARD on “flaming”? Or since I specifically identified your MAN-VOICE “name-calling”? 🙂

PrincesaUrduja
Guest

@ benignO

“…which in this case has become counterproductive to the overall dynamic of this forum.”

I hope you have also considered this blog’s bias, hypocrisy, name-calling and flaming as “counterproductive”. 🙂

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